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Real Data on Americans' Preparedness and Expectations

Discussion in 'Survival/Preparedness Forum' started by JC Refuge, Feb 22, 2012.

  1. JC Refuge

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  2. LOL.

    That is all. Well, maybe a ROFL. But my back hurts today.
     


  3. Bolster

    Bolster Not Ready Yet!

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    This strikes me as the work of "researchers" who are remarkably unfamiliar with the topic they're researching.
     
  4. JC Refuge

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    Actually--that's what you want if you want unskewed data.

    But NatGeo obviously did not invest a huge amount of money in the survey. Still, it appears to be pretty well-done. For instance, some of the goofy response choices for movie scenarios would serve the purpose of determining the number of respondents who were not taking the survey seriously.

    FYI--Being in the business myself for 10 years now, I've always been very interested in finding good data on "preparedness." Of course the very word itself is wide open to interpretation.

    I think a lot of people are simply not aware of how popular prepping has become.

    Of late, my own estimates of people who are seriously into preparedness in America is around 20%. Over the last five years, the percentage of those who are prepping has steadily risen (especially since Katrina).

    Preparedness is definitely entering the mainstream today.

    Our company's astronomical growth along with the skyrocketing numbers of competitors in the field are very strong indicators of that.

    Bottom line, this survey data in general does pretty much square with my understanding of the marketplace today.
     
  5. wjv

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    So 51% of the people think our economy is {BLEEPED}.
    Just read that 49% of Americans don't pay taxes. . .

    Hmm. . . . .

    On another note:

    I'm a 12%'r

    If you only had to take care of yourself during a catastrophe, about how long do you think you would survive based on the supplies you currently have in your home?

    100 Days or More 119 12%
     
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  6. Bolster

    Bolster Not Ready Yet!

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    I completely agree that uninvolved researchers are less biased, so the poll does have that going for it. OTOH, when doing research, generally the researcher is required to have some baseline knowledge about the area first. That's what the initial "review" section is for, in any research article.

    I guess I was rattled by the "which movie" question, which seemed badly uninformed. OTOH, look at how much time discussion is devoted to movie-based fantasizing on this forum.

    One thing that always amuses me, is the lens through which the liberal media establishment (NatGeo is very much part of this culture) views other cultures...always with a bias of "how weird are these people?" And that really comes out in the survey...almost expected to see questions reading:

    "How odd are you?"
    "Are you a social misfit?"
    "What type of kook are you?"

    Interesting that you estimate 20% prepping, and the move to mainstream.
     
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  7. WolfNotSheep

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    How was "have sex" not at the very top of the list of things you would do on the night before you thought the world was going to end? The other options were resolving disputes with loved ones, stocking up on canned food/resources, eating an expensive meal at a fancy restaurant, or going skydiving. So, let's see...the relatives I don't like I don't associate with and that's just the way it is so screw trying to rebuild burnt bridges, I already have food/resources stockpiled, I would just feel like I wasted the money if I spent more then $10-20 on a single meal for myself, and I see no reason in the world to jump out of a perfectly good airplane...
     
  8. racerford

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    Question 2, the movie one was just goofy. 19% of the people think that alien invasion/visitation is a likely scenario and less than 15% think it would be some sort of disease.

    Also it appears there is a fair amount of self selection in the survey, and dumb people. There is a high percentage that say they have 60+ days of food. And some that say they would survive less than a day on the food they have. Really they will die in less day with the food they have. Unless the food they have to eat is poisioned they should be able to last well more than a day. I think higher than average of the people selecting to respond to the survey are interested in prepping, so not a random sample.
     
  9. G29Reload

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    What gets me is that for the preppers, at least the ones shown on Nat Geo, is they're all citing a reason for prepping BASED ON NO INFO WHATSOEVER.

    They act like they know WHAT is going to happen, WHEN its going to happen and occasionally on things that even if they did happen, will produce some ridiculous result not supported by science. Then proceed to live their lives as though they are certain of it.

    What I caught of last nights is the guy who lived in Jacksonville and moved to TN because he thought the poles are gonna flip.

    Some people are sure about this as though the event has a facebook page or something and they get the scheduling sent to MS Outlook. Might as well turn our lives upside down based on some wild idea. Some people even think if it happens, gravity will stop and we'll just fly off into space for bit. :upeyes: all the buildings will crash or fall down and they are just certain of it like they're experts.

    They have not a clue what they're talking about.

    It is so important to keep it real, and these people are so far from reality.

    The germophobe also needs to get a grip.

    Is it POSSIBLE? Yes, its possible. She however, believes with absolute certainty that it will happen, like…next year.

    Just watching her compulsive cleaning gave me the creeps. Shes like I dunno, a hypochondriac or something.

    There are some things we can't prepare for. Don't waste a second of your precious time worrying about them.

    The max I'll go on food preps is one year. If you farm or garden, great. The worst possible scenario I can imagine is a nuke strike, even that has its limits because the attackers are virtually guaranteeing their own destruction. Iran or a terrorist strike, yes, chaos, but recoverable. We'd retaliate and get it back on the rails eventually.

    Water, yes, dealing with getting good drinking water and sanitation. I'm already a HAM radio operator, and I have G&A covered. Everyone should have a good FA cabinet or medicine chest.

    If you want to go the sustainability route because you dig the independence, or economics of it, AND reap the survival benefits, great. Windmill, solar panels, farming, goat herding, great.

    But planning for every bizarre theory goes over the cliff into a waste of time that stops me from living in the now.

    Do what you can. Do what is reasonable. Have a plan. But this psycho, tin foil hat stuff is for the birds.

    Nuke strike,
    Economic collapse

    with outside rare possibility of an EMP of varying severity are possibilities, along with any manmade chaos. Beyond that, I just shake my head.
     
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  10. Bolster

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    Being still slightly peeved at all the "just move away from Los Angeles" responses I get when I post an urban S&P topic, I would like to underline and highlight the above wisdom.

    I'm fascinated how so many people have such wild, crazy, and irrational ideas. Has it always been this way? Does the internet facilitate?

    I'd say 50% of the time I meet some new person (say, flying on an airplane) within 15 minutes I discover they are horribly imbalanced kooks in one way or another, applying much energy and devotion to wild, quirky, irrational ideas. Just the other day met a guy who seemed perfectly reasonable until he told me he thought that eating salmon was evil. More discussion, and it turns out he thinks that sea life hangs in the balance and we'll soon have no seafood.

    Neuroticism is the new normal.

    Best explanation I've seen of it, was a book called "Sense of an Ending," which argued that humans throughout time believe they have been living "at the end of time." Author proposed that humans felt life had little meaning if they were "just living in the middle of time somewhere."
     
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  11. Aceman

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    This is obviously a propaganda / marketing ploy for the series.

    I'm have pro-level survey research skills. This thing blows chunks, technically speaking.

    Biases questions, obviously socially correct answers, contradictory responses.

    Entertainment value only. Did I mention marketing ploy?
     
  12. JC Refuge

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    Ummm ... isn't every survey (commissioned and most "independent" surveys too) about marketing and reputation management?
     
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  13. UneasyRider

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    This is the stupidest survey that I have ever seen.
     
  14. G29Reload

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    Well, there's a logic failure there…that's not turning your life upside down, nor a crazy idea.

    Frankly, we care about you. I feel for all those trapped even if for the moment, behind enemy lines. LA is a hateful place for gun owners and common sense. Laws and taxation there are crazy. We'd all like to see you reach freedom.

    I for one would not similarly recommend if I had not taken my own advice. Not LA, but I am a former resident of MD. I made a choice to move to VA upon learning about concealed carry permits. Sold my house within the month, packed up and moved. Really put my money where my mouth was.

    Now, as bad as LA is, you should NOT leave because the poles might flip. Just because it makes good sense. :supergrin:
     
  15. Bolster

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    ... (decided to keep mouth shut. For once.)
     
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  16. G29Reload

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    My point was, the comments about LA are about ACTUAL happenings, whereas the pole-flip-out freaks were moving on speculation.

    And yes, I suppose even an in-state move can make chaos out of your life, but you'd get over it.

    So, just for a parlor game, you've decided to leave LA. Where in Free USA would you pick to move to, say if you HAD to leave?

    I'd pick CO for you, on a guess.
     
  17. G29Reload

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    The q & a is pretty much what I would expect from those unschooled in the matters.

    Just the fact that the NG series is running says something is up.
     
  18. Bolster

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    Yep, got it. You are goading me into going OT so I'll try to keep it short. Leaving CA definitely NOT a crazy idea, but it WOULD turn my life, and the lives of a half dozen other family members, upside down. Particular concern for aging family members who depend on me. Believe me I would love to leave. Since you ask? My heart belongs to Arizona. I would also be very happy with Colorado or New Mexico. "But I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep..." so consider me your insurgent ally behind enemy lines, and if I don't make it, then perhaps an example of what NOT to do.

    OK, next post on topic, I promise.
     
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  19. G29Reload

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    You do get to enjoy the weather at least.

    So we stay OT, I bet angelinos have earthquake prep down.
     
  20. Aceman

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    No - some people really want serious information.

    Unfortunately, pollster, politicos, and marketing geeks have given them a bad name.


    The results did show some very interesting skew in thought about the liklihood of very rare events, and I'd say a fair amount of - let's say optimism - about how much gear people have.

    25% think they are more prepared than the rest: 1 in 4 is a prepper? Don't think so.

    40% can go a month or more with the supplies in their home? AhahahAHAhahaHAhAhHAhAhHAHAhA. They must not have had space to type the rest of the question where it said "with a weekly trip to the grocery store"

    43% Collect and store water for a disaster? Does that mean a case of Dasani in the garage that you might crack this weekend if it gets warm? Right....

    1 in 3 can start a fire or stitch a wound? I've been camping with dozens of people and was the ONLY person who could do either of those things!
     
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