I will admit when I first read about the gen4 problems I thought what a bunch of complainers, just shoot the damn gun and stop worrying about the ejected shells and where they land . Then I found out glock was having a run on Gen3 FDE G19s and I jumped on the first one I saw for sale. And this is what I came home with test fired 09/12, 600 rounds (150 remington UMC 115g , 450 lawman 124gr) 1 failure to extract, 1 stovepipe, 3 brass to face, countless on my right shoulder, dipped extractor, 336 ejector. I'm probably going to sell or trade-in, i regret selling my G19 made in 08. I can deal with brass hitting my shoulder and the occasional face tap. Its the failure to extract and stovepipe that are eating me up. I will make my decision after 1000 round mark, heading to the range with 200rd's of winchester ranger 127+p+ and 200rd's of 124gr american eagle. I know this for sure I will never buy a NEW GLOCK. On plus side i managed to convince a friend to sell me his G19 with LAK SR# made in 2007 Wanna kill these ads? We can help!