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Rand Paul on Fox today.

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Slug71, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. Slug71

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    Either way, religion control is bad. Especially when you are going for votes. You can't shove christianity down people's throats. The politicians need to keep religion out of politics.
     
  2. IvanVic

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    Rand has great ideas, unfortunately I doubt he'd be able to keep his hands off the social issues because of his constituency. I'd like to see most of his ideas embraced by someone who is actually electable.
     

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    Agreed. Government cannot make anyone a different or better person.

    Social issues are still important, though. Goverment can't change your mind or your behavior but it can draw lines in the sand.

    A skilled politician can focus on conservative economic principles while also acknowledging the importance of social issues.

    Those idiots going on about rape in the last election where not skilled politicians. Hell, they weren't even smart people. They were just morons.
     
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    "I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization." - John Adams in his letter to François Adriaan van der Kemp (16 February 1809).
     
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    I think you misunderstand that statement. John Adams did not advocate religious government or involving religion in government - neither did the churches of the time, in fact. John Adams, best I can tell, is saying simply that you have to have a moral population to survive with the amount of freedom they had back then.

    The population we have now, unfortunately, is proving him right (hence the constant battle to take away freedom in order to control the immoral elements of society).

    The quote is always repeated out of context. Here is the context:

     
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    I didn't misunderstand anything. It's not complicated. As our society has moved in a more secular progressive direction, there seems to be an acceptance, or even glorification, of moral decline. I don't think that you have to look very hard to see that truism. Don't misundertand my position, I'm not advocating religiosity in government. I'm just commenting on what I see. Seems that the forced removal of religion from our society has proven Adams to have been very astute.
     
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    Must be based on the Kenyan precedent.


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  8. czsmithGT

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    No it's based on US law.
     
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    I think what he meant is that liberty and freedom is reserved for responsible and ethical people as the absence of government in certain areas requires a moral and ethical populace. With liberty comes responsibility, there is no incentive to live or act ethically when the government tells you what your morals and values are before you have a chance to see for yourself, just as there is no incentive to earn money through labor when the government provides it for you. If the State gives you something, it deincentivizes you from obtaining or realising it yourself.


    We know the founders advocated a government with no religous interference hence the seperation of church and state, but when you understand why they did it all makes sense.

    Our founders observed history and saw what happened when the
    church controlled the state, look at the Middle Ages, anyone who was not a believer in Christianity or Islam was persecuted. Some had to worship in complete secrecy to avoid death. They also knew why their ancestors came to North America, it was to persue religous freedom. They tried to make sure history wasn't repeated.
     
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    I think Regan did it well. He professed beliefs, but did not pontificate them. Limited government is what the founders wanted, all free to believe as they wish. The opposite of the church of England. So yes, religion at a personal level, now a campaign issue.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    We KNOW what he meant. Read these words and others from him. Kind of like the 2nd ammendment. Read the words...no interpretation necessary. Not complicated at all. Our form of government was intended by the founders to be for a moral and RELIGIOUS people. He, and others, said that it would not work otherwise. A secular society was not intended for this form of government. That's different than the government prescribing a particular faith, and it is also different from a government and society removed from all religious ideals. Methinks they were right.
     
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    Rand Paul on Fox last night.

    $5 million on freakin gold fish democracy!? And jerky! :steamed: :steamed:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tAC9IofKp8"]Sen. Paul appears on Fox's On the Record with Greta Van Susteren- 2/21/13 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czx-KZHcOZQ"]Sen. Paul appears on Fox News' Hannity- 2/25/13 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I can agree to keep religion out of politics. One problem I have though is that the secular crowd has used politics to force religion out of society instead of politics hence not heeding Adams' warning. And I now think we're seeing the results.
     
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    Where have the secular folks forced religion out of society? Out of the public (government) square yes, but private society? No!

    ARS