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Question on Ammo

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by MississipVol, Nov 4, 2012.


  1. MississipVol

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    I'm new to AR's, just got my first just over a month ago. I've seen several threads about the need to stockpile ammo in case of a SHTF situation or I guess in case they try to outlaw the manufacture of the stuff. (These are my perceptions as to "why" anyway.)

    So when you guys are stockpiling, what are you primarily focusing on? Are you stockpiling a bunch of the cheaper stuff you would normally shoot at the range or are you buying a bunch of defensive ammo stuff?

    I'm on a limited budget since I just got an AR and an optic so I won't be buying any cases anytime soon. In fact, right now I have trouble keeping up with the amount I shoot. I have one 20-rd box of defensive ammo that was pretty expensive.

    What do you suggest for me? Should I slowly buy an extra box of just regular range ammo and put it back or should I be focused on putting back boxes of defensive ammo?

    Also, what about mags? What is a realistic minimum you'd be comfortable with? (I have four P-mags.)

    TIA for your suggestions!
     

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  2. WoodenPlank

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    I mostly stock up on cheap 55gr brass and steel case ammo, as I can shoot it on the range. I keep a small reserve of that locked away, as well as about 250 rounds of quality OTM.

    I try to keep 2-3 average range trips worth of practice ammo on hand at any given time, and replenish as I shoot it up.
     

  3. Cole125

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    I just stock quality brass case ammo, and keep enough on hand for 5 or so range trips which is about 3 cases. If the SHTF or the zombies come I'll stop going to the range, so Ill have enough to blast zombie goblins.

    You need minimum 10 mags per rifle.
     
  4. Jon_R

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    What do you consider a defensive round for your ar? You said it was expensive.

    I am plenty happy with m193 out of my 16 inch + ars. That is not that expensive. I have a case of that bunch of wolf for range and gearing up to reload a bunch of 223. M193 has worked well for a long time out of carbines. If I wanted to use my sbr for serious use I would look for something else as the speed for fragmentation with 193 out of 11 inch barrel ends at about 40 yards if I remember correctly.
     
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    I don't see how anyone can define an amount.

    Ideally I'd like enough to get me through a lifetime of shooting as it isn't getting any less expensive. It would save money in the long run. It's not financially or logistically possible for me. Cost and availability are my only concern.

    As far as brand goes I like Wolf and Tula.
     
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  6. WoodenPlank

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    Nope. Frag range of M855 and M193 from a 10.5" is barely past contact range. Mk. 262 and Hornady TAP T2 75gr have a max frag range of just shy of 50 yards.

    Even from a 16" barrel, M193 isn't what I would want for serious HD/SD use. Invest in some decent quality soft-points, JHP or even OTM loads. M193 and M855 are just too inconsistent (especially 855) in terms of fragmentation in many situations.
     
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    IMO, and I make no claims of being an expert, unlike a lot of posters here.....

    If you are looking at SHTF, get a variety. A couple\few hundred of the green tip (M855) steel core, some M193 and some commercial hollow point. That pretty much covers the spectrum.

    Read up at M4carbine.net (new owner threads) and find the right bullet for your barrels twist. The cool thing is, learning is free and easy. Buying is what is costly.

    AND, get some frangible for anti personnel, just in case.
     
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  8. MississipVol

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    I have a Colt LE 6920 - MOE.

    I have one box of soft-points the LGS recommended for hunting or HD situations. But they were pretty expensive. That's why I wondered if people were talking about stocking up that kind of ammo or just regular range ammo.

    Sounds like I could pick up some extra PMC X-TAC and be pretty much ok.
     
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    You will get sooo many different schools of thought one that one. I'd just buy up range ammo if I were you. 55 grain brass case is as good as anything. Buy what you can afford!!! But for me priorities would be 1. regular ammo 2.mags 3. A distant 3 is top shelf defense ammo. Any 5.56 ammo will get the job done in a SHTF scenerio. JMO
     
  10. Warp

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    First of all, excellent choice for your first AR. :thumbsup:

    I suggest: If you only have one box of something, don't plan on using it for defense, SHTF, whatever. I wouldn't use anything for HD/SD/SHTF unless you have run some of it through your rifle. This allows you to verify function and see where it hits (test POI, or point of impact). Practically and realistically speaking if you are talking about quality ammo from a reputable, major manufacturer, in good magazines, in your properly lubed and cared for Colt, at home defense/closer range self defense distances...those things probably don't even matter. It'll run, and the round will hit close enough to where any other round hits.

    But then Mr Murphy says that what can go wrong, will. So I'd want some rounds down the pipe before loading it to potentially bet your life on. I'd rather have XM193 or XM855 that I know works, and I am zero'd for, than some high end defensive round that I haven't yet fired through my rifle.

    Now, as for what to stock, stocking what you train with usually seems to be the way to go. I recommend bulk 5.56, or some of the better .223, perhaps. Brass case.

    Right now I would look at these, if you can afford them: (and don't expect them to be in stock very long, esp at these prices)

    http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-35...-full-metal-jacket-250-rounds-ammunition.aspx (they have others of this type with free shipping if you buy more)

    http://www.sgammo.com/product/pmc/1000-round-case-223-pmc-55-grain-fmj-ammo-limited-supplies

    http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/223-5-56/pmc-x-tac-55gr.html

    http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-23...t-boat-tail-case-of-1000-bulk-ammunition.aspx



    Also:
    http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19881


    Yes, you could pick up some PMC X-TAC M193 (or 855) and be just fine.

    If you are really limited on ammo budget find the best price you can on brass case FMJ/ball ammo and get as much as you can/are willing to spend.
     
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    Read up on frangible 5.56 and see what you think before purchasing any.
     
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    I got a good deal on PMC 62g 855 so I bought a case. Don't care if it's not ideal for HD/SHTH/TEOTWAWKI because of frangibility. That's why there are 29 little green-tipped siblings right behind it. :wavey:
     
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    Green tip is horrible for defensive shooting.
     
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    Im just another guy with a couple pistols and an AR, so by no means could I even be considered an intermediately educated AR specialist. But here is what I do. Steel case Tulammo runs just fine in my gun, mag after mag, Ive tried to get it to mess up, and it wont any sooner than with any other ammo, but that ks just my gun. So when I can afford nothing else, I buy tulammo. But, my biggest stockpile is in M193. I buy it whenever I can find it for $6.99 for 20 rounds. Sgammo has a pretty good deal on winchester 5.56 q3313, which is a good, barrier-blind soft point ammo. So I got about 300 rounds of it. Im by no means dedicated to one certain ammo. I just buy whatever is priced so that it is a Good Value. And as far as SHTF goes, I am of the opinion that anything that reliably goes boom will work for fending off the zombies or aliens or hillbillies. (No offense to hillbillies, Im part hillbilly myself). Right now I have 5,000 rounds of pistol ammo, and 1200 rounds of various .223 and 5.56 ammo stored up, which in my mind is not nearly enough rifle ammo, but Im getting there on pistol ammo. At any rate it isnt going to be getting cheaper, so you may as well buy what you can now...The point is, buy whatever you can afford, a round of tulammo or wolf is better than no round at all!
     
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    Exiting the threat dumping as little energy as possible.
     
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    This is what I do. I keep a stockpile of XM193 type ammo because it’s cheap and good for plinking, training or most types of shooting. I prefer 193 over XM855 because it’s cheaper, a little more accurate (if that matters) and is easier on my steel targets.
    I keep this stockpile not so much for fantasy SHTF scenarios but because I shoot a lot. I shoot almost every week and about once a month, I get together with some friends and we have a high volume range day doing defensive training. Also, if I want to take a class, I don’t have to immediately scrounge for ammo.
    For personal defense, I recommend you use better suited ammo. A couple mags of TAP or a heavy soft point will be fine.
    If you’re on a limited budget, look for deals on line and buy when you can.
    On mags, I would recommend 8 to10 as a minimum but depending on the type of shooting you do, you can get by with 4 to 5. It just depends on what you want.
     
  19. cowboy1964

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    Get 100-200 rounds of quality hollow points (Black Hills Mk 262 Mod 1, Hornady 75gr). Most effective non-barrier ammo for the 5.56/.223 around. If you want barrier blind stuff get some 55 or 62gr Gold Dots or any of the other good JSPs (but the Gold Dots will probably be cheaper).

    Any good M193 clone is fine for larger scale stashes, but I wouldn't use them for self-defense unless it's all I had.

    One good thing, all these various ammo types really have a very similar "feel" when shooting. Some may be a touch hotter than others but overall it's not like handguns where feel can be so much different depending on the ammo.


    Hornady 75gr:
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    It's not much worse than the old M193. Wound profiles are quite similar. Both are far less desirable than hollow points and JSPs.
     
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