Question about shipping firearms

Discussion in 'Firearms Listings' started by kurt_cobain, Apr 18, 2008.


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  1. Hi, I have a question about shipping firearms. My understanding is that it's illegal to ship across state lines. Is it ok to ship inside your state?

    Also, what if you sent multiple shipments of a gun, but in different pieces at different times, is that still illegal? Thanks
     

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  3. It is not illegal to ship across state lines but you must ship it via UPS or Fedex to an FFL holder. As far as shipping within your own state, you would have to check on the laws of your state to see if it's allowable to do so.
     

  4. Its not illegal to ship across state line if you are shipping to a FFL...I have shipped a few out of state before and its pretty easy.I would just take it directly to FedEx myself with a copy of the FFL I'm shipping it to and tell them it is a firearm...All firearms shipped through FedEx have to go overnite..which is roughly around the $50 price...If you take your gun to a gun shop that ships out they can use USPS Priority mail,but you can not do that yourself...Hope that was helpful:wavey:
     

  5. EDITED

    I was told locally that two day or even ground shipping but this seems not to be true based on the info in a post below. You must go directly to a FedEx Service Center, not a Kinko's or Mailboxes Etc...

    I have known people who have shipped through Kinkos or even scheduled a pickup, but they never declared the item as a firearm. Using anything other than a FedEx Service Center is against FedEx rules and they probably won't cover you if it turns up missing.

    Not that you would do this but federal law prohibits any marking on the package that indicate a firearm is inside.

    It's always a good idea to abbreviate the name of the company or FFL that you are shipping to if it is appropriate and if thier name indicates the business they do. For instance Springfield Armory... I use S.A. and the address tells FE all they need to know.
     
  6. EDITED

    The is great info.

    The info about FedEx seems to change from location to location. I went to great lengths to research this a while a back and the regs and policies that I was shown by a manager at the local SC said nothing about overnight shipping being mandatory. I have a good friend who is a director at FedEx and even he didn't know the answer. What I found was that you will get a different answer from just about everyone that you speak to there.

    After all of the research I went to the local SC and declared what I was shipping (two firearms back to thier mfrs.) and he gave me the options and costs for shipping. I explained to him that I was shipping firearms and that they had to go overnight. The attendant told me that wasn't so and when I explained to him the background research I had done, he kindly said let's settle this and went to get the facility manager. The FM knew the reg and right where to go and showed me the requirements. They assured me that although there is a great deal of confusion on this issue that there is no requirement to ship overnight. THIS SEEMS TO BE INCORRECT BASED ON THE POST BELOW.

    Maybe they too were wrong, but I have been shipping two day without an issue. :dunno:
     
  7. I deal with UPS and sometimes they dont know their own regulations. Its best to get on the web sites and copy the regs and have them with you.

    UPS- shipping a pistol will be next day shipping , rifles and shotguns can go ground , if you dont have a lisence the rifle or pistol must go to a FFL or Manufacturer . If you have a C@R license ,have it with you and the C@R lisence of the buyer.C@R holders can ship C@R rifles and pistols out of state to other C@R holders or an FFL and receive C@R firearms to their home.

    Go to the ATF web site and look for the firearms rules of your state for shipping within state and any rules for pistol registration .

    You can also call the nearest state police post and ask them.
     
  8. itsnitro

    itsnitro Got Sig?

    Straight from UPS website...

    http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/guidelines/firearms.html?srch_pos=7&srch_phr=firearm

     

  9. Ok LOL... I didn't think I needed to mention that I am NOOOT an FFL holder. Geez - do you think I'd be posting this thread and asking the question if I were, or if I were shipping it to an FFL holder? Of course not... Sorry to be so harsh, dang.

    I'm talking about shipping a gun to someone who has purchased one from me personally I'm not an ffl holder.

    I'm kind of confused about the fed ex and ups - so it's ok to ship it fed ex and ups(as long as it's next day air) as long as it doesn't say that it's a firearm?

    Also, would it be leable if I shipped him part of it one day, then the other part the next day? Or is that still illegal?
     
  10. There's no Federal law to keep you from shipping to someone in your state. As far as sending parts, at some point you're still going to send the serial numbered part, the frame, which is the gun.
     
  11. Interesting question you pose.... The problems typically lies here....1) I don't know of any state (not saying there isn't one) that does not have a law requiring you to only sell a long gun to someone over 18 and a handgun to someone over 21. The problem with in state shipping would simply be....you have no way of identifying that person as you would FTF, thus making sure they have a valid state id. As a result, you could be shipping a gun to a 16 year old who has mailed you a copy of his dad's driver's license. You just can't tell when you are not FTF or shipping to an FFL. 2) UPS, FEDEX, and the Postal Service all require FFL's to ship a gun anywhere, not just out of state. I hope this helps!
     

  12. UPS and Fedex don't require an FFL to ship a gun.
     
  13. What if you've drilled out the serial number?

    (kidding... I'm kidding LOL!)
     
  14. FedEx website says you must ship Priority Overnight and get Adult Signature. Kinko's would not take mine and when I took it to the appropriate drop-off center and told them it was a firearm they confirmed it had to be Priority Overnight with Signature.
     
  15. Take it to your local FFL and let him ship it he can ship it USPS. Even if Fed-ex says you can ship via ground you can't. Also shipping to someone in state depends on your state & if it's a pistol or long gun. Whatever you do DO NOT ship to anyone other than a verified FFL with a signed in ink copy of their FFL in your posession across a state line. If you go to the ATF website you can verify an FFL's license.
     
  16. SCUBASIGGUY,

    It can be dangerous to present false information as fact. You should check your facts first. Fedex does indeed require priority overnight shipping. Here's their firearms trariff. Read it for yourself, especially paragraph C.

    http://www.fedex.com/us/services/terms/us.html#firearms
     
  17. Thats what I thought too. I was in FEDEX just today argueing about that. They said I need to ship it to an FFL. I'm still researching this.
     


  18. I agree... I cannot believe all the false information floating around about something so important.

    Do you think the guy at FedEx really knows all the rules? The FedEx website states that *PRIORITY OVERNIGHT* (not just overnight) is the only way for regular citizens to ship firearms to FFLs. This has been the rule for at least 3 years - because I've shipped a few over the past 3 years and check the rules everytime to make sure I'm not violating anything. Last time I read the rules on UPS, they did not accept firearms from individuals without FFLs or Collector Licenses for both the to and from parties. As far as I know, for the average Joe - FedEx Priority Overnight is the only way to go.

    Aslo - Federal law requires you declare that the package contains a firearm to the desk clerk.
     
  19. While I'm not sure if you need an actual copy of the FFL to ship the firearm - the rules clearly state you must ship to a licensed dealer or manufacturer.

    Directly from the FedEx website:

    Firearms

    1. FedEx Express will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
    1. Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
    2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).
    2. If your shipment contains firearms, select the Direct Signature Required or Adult Signature Required Delivery Signature Option, depending on the requirements of your shipment. See the Delivery Signature Options section for details. Firearms shipments are not eligible for signature release or indirect delivery.
    3. Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx Express cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.
    4. Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx Express is required to notify FedEx Express that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm.
    5. The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.
    6. The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.
    7. G. FedEx Express will transport ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Dangerous Goods section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as dangerous goods. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.
     
  20. You don't need a copy of the receivers FFL to ship but how else are you going to make sure the person really does have a valid FFL? Unless it's going back to the manufacturer, 1st make sure the other persons FFL will even receive from a private party (a lot will not) then make sure you get a signed in ink copy of the receivers FFL then go to the ATF website to verify the persons license is still valid. Won't work with C&R licenses but all other it will. My understanding from UPS is it up to the manager at the center if they will accept. Kinko's can't take them only the main office. Make sure you insure it for every penny and have bill of sale and receipts to back it up. This is from someone who had a G17 stolen from Fed-Ex custody then had a hell'uva time getting them to pay off full value. BTW It has since been recovered and was used in a crime appx 3 hours from my house. It possibly has a body on it now.

    Print out the instructions from either Fed-Ex or UPS's web site & take them with you. FFL holders can ship by post office a lot cheaper for you if yours will. Even if he charges you $30.00 to ship it's still cheaper than Fed-Ex at $50-125
     

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