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Query for 9mm powder

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Lord270, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. Lord270

    Lord270 Lord270

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    Hey everybody I have been reloading for about 1 and 1/2 years but I have only been reloading for rifles and I am starting to get ready to reload 9mm I reload using a RCBS Rock Chucker My main question and query is I am looking at using Alliant Power Pistol for my powder. Does anyone have any experience with this powder the other powder I looked at was Tightgroup but I have heard bad reviews about it for starters and I can get PP cheaper than TG and the range is closer as well the bullets I am looking at are Raniers

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  2. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Federal law mandates that all 9mm rounds be loaded with UNIQUE.

    Obama finally did something right.


    Jack
     


  3. Colorado4Wheel

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    So you mention TG which is great for Bunny Fart type loads and Power Pistol which is great for Factory Style Full Power Loads. What do you want to make?
     
  4. Lord270

    Lord270 Lord270

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    Self Defense / competition loads

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  5. Roughedgekid

    Roughedgekid Old Fart

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    I have used PP in 40 cal's with good results but I agree with Jack that Unique is the best all around powder for most pistol loads.
     
  6. The fellow I reload with uses PP in his .38 Spl and .40 S&W loads. He likes it. He likes Bullseye, too.

    I've had my best results with Titegroup, in 124s and 147s. Bullseye worked nicely. Not as nice as the TG, but I'd certainly use it in a pinch.

    Buy one pound of the PP and give it a try across the range of loads. Borrow something else from a friend and make twenty-five or fifty rounds to try. Try and try again. You'll end up with something you really like.
     
  7. I recommend you use a powder that fills more than 1/2 the case. Impossible to double charge that way. (this isnt a problem with rifle rounds)
     
  8. WvHiker

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    I use PP for 9mm. I get quite a bit of fire even though I'm well under max loadings, but it's accurate, fun to shoot and doesn't seem to recoil any more than NATO White Box I get at the local store. I think one of my manuals list PP as a top choice for 9mm.
     
  9. F106 Fan

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    Those are two different things. Self defense loads will be blazing fast with no concern for recoil. The will probably be jacketed hollow points and will certainly not be lead or plated bullets.

    Competition loads will barely make the required power factor and controlling recoil is everything. They might as well be lead bullets because plated bullets cost just as much as FMJ. Unless range rules prevent the use of lead bullets.

    In fact, if you want to pay the price for plated bullets, why not look at FMJ for which there is a ton of published load data. Zero or Precision Delta might look attractive.

    The Zero 115 gr FMJ is about $100/1000:
    http://shootersconnectionstore.com/Zero-Bullets-C153.aspx

    Precision Delta 115 gr FMJ is $76/1000 free shipping.
    http://www.precisiondelta.com/detail.php?sku=B-9-115-FMJ

    The Rainier plated bullet equivalent is about $85/1000 and load data has to be worked up.
    http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=RH00932&src=tpMfg

    Berry's plated are about $83/1000 free shipping but load data has to be worked up.
    http://www.berrysmfg.com/product-i14474-c11-g8-b0-p0-9mm_115gr_RN.aspx

    If you actually need a total jacket (for range rules), you can try Montana Gold 115 gr CMJ for < $80/1000 in 4000 round cases.
    https://www.montanagoldbullet.com/pricelist.html

    There isn't any published data for any plated bullets. Rainier says use lead loading data, Berry's says use mid-range jacketed data but it doesn't appear that either of them have done any testing that they are willing to publish. Personally, I'll just pass on plated bullets.

    Rainier also says that it is possible to use mid-range jacketed bullet load data if lead data isn't available. But Alliant still doesn't provide a range of loads.

    You should probably buy a copy of the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading 8th Edition. Most LGS's have it as does Midway.

    Richard
     
  10. Skytow

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    Unique... Jack says.


    + it will fill the case and you can load it up or down as you need (mid range to pretty hot anyway)

    JD
     
  11. D. Manley

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    Power Pistol is actually a very good 9MM powder especially, at full power loadings. The only down side is that it's a bit loud and has a significant muzzle flash...although, some folks like that sort of thing. If you want to explore alternatives, for 115 & 124 grain bullets, I prefer N-330, Silhouette and WSF...all produce very accurate, safe, loads.
     
  12. Colorado4Wheel

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    PP is a great powder for SD loads that will be shot outside.
     
  13. fredj338

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    TG, you're kidding right? Like C4W notes, good bunnyfart load but not even on the radar for full power ammo IMO. PP is quite accurate but I am not a fan of the blast, especially in shorter bbls. Unique is a great midrange to full power choice, some complain about metering. WSF is a better metering Unique, Universal is right there too.
     
  14. akroguy

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    I've been using WW231 or HP38 (same stuff, really) for years in both .45ACP and 9mm with great results. Power Pistol does seem like great stuff too, but since I bought 16 pounds of HP38 last year, I'm set for a while!
     
  15. TX expat

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    I load a lot of 9mm and all my .40 rounds with Power Pistol. I think it's a pretty good powder and would be a good choice based on your needs. It will provide a little more audio/visual entertainment than some other choices. My wife doesn't care for those rounds for that reason, so I load her 9mm practice rounds with W231 and I've been happy with that as well.

    ***guess I should add that I don't do any competitive shooting, so my rounds are practice rounds only.
     
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  16. kcbrown

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    Except I thought that Unique didn't meter worth spit in progressive powder measures (Dillon's and Lee's, in particular. Might be fine in RCBS/Hornady). That makes it not so good for high-volume pistol shooters for anything other than rapid fire range fodder...

    I use Silhouette myself, but even the maximum loads don't get you as much recoil as self-defense loads or even standard-pressure factory rounds (for 124 grain 9mm, or 180 grain .40 S&W). AA#5 seems to be better for that in 9mm (haven't tried it for .40, and probably won't). Silhouette might be just the thing if you want to push things a bit. People are using it with a lot of success to make major power factor in 9mm, but they're loading long. Might be okay to go a couple of tenths above max charge with it in a standard OAL in 9mm, might not (they try to keep pressures below standard SAAMI max, but +P/NATO and +P+ are higher than that). :dunno:
     
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  17. kcbrown

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    To be fair, the load is going to have to be worked up regardless, if one has even a modest amount of sense.


    Yep. Another disadvantage is that they're very sensitive to crimp. Overcrimp even a little and you'll damage the plating and accuracy will go in the toilet.
     
  18. shotgunred

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    Power pistol is a great choice for your full power loads. I have used it in IDPA loads as well. But you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage because of the extra recoil. But if your goal is to practice with full power loads it is a good choice. Just don't expect to win while using it.
     
  19. creophus

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    I've used both for 9mm, in 115gr and 147gr bullets. Either will do what you want. PP is notorious for muzzle flash, so keep that in mind if you load SD rounds.

    What's up with all the Titegroup haters?
     
  20. Lord270

    Lord270 Lord270

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    Ok. So the PP is a good powder all in all except for the recoil factor, the recoil doesn't matter to me, I am used to dealing with recoil. I am quite a big stout man.

    I mean the whole flashy/loud factor doesn't bother me, the reloads I do for my 270 (which I use in F-class open competition) are loud, send a long flame out my barrel, kick like a mule, and everybody says sounds like a d@*n cannon don't bother me cause I also use them for deer hunting as well, and I hunt out of a open lean to stand.

    The competition I am going into is GSSF and they don't require a large amount of rounds for every competition, I think I remember somebody said around 50-60 each division. My reloads will mostly be HD rounds

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