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Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by zukyota, May 2, 2010.


  1. zukyota

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    For hd what would be better pump or auto ? Is it personal preferance or is one better than the other ? Anyone have a pistol grip or folding stock auto ? Newb to hd shotguns & looking for advice.
     

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    Hard to beat an 870. Autoloaders, even the best, jam once in a while. Youre trusting your life and your family's life to it, so for me, the pump is the way to go..
    Check us out for 870 grips, stocks, magazine extensions, and forends-Choate machine & Tool
     

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  3. aippi

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    when you use an auto, any auto, you are also trusting the ammo as that is what cycles the next round. In an auto, any auto, there are more parts and more for Mr. Murhpy to mess with. Gas autos have be shouldered solid to ensure the next round cycles and that will not always be the case in a fight.

    Pumps, any pumps, are more reliable in a gun fight. That is not opinion, that is fact and based on the design of the weapons.
     
  4. triggerjerk

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    There's no short stroking an auto under stress.
    Keep enough quality ammo on hand and there is no issue.
     
  5. GAFinch

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    No pistol grips or folding stocks for semi-auto shotguns.
     
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    Semi autos have a gas tube that protrude out of the back of the receicer.
     
  7. DeltaNu1142

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    Who is "us"? I'm closing in on finishing my 870 tactical build, but I could always be tempted by something else...!

    In keeping with the thread subject--for HD, what's a more effective deterrent than racking that pump-action slide (other than actually aiming it)?
     
  8. mixflip

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    I am not an expert. My personal experience with both pump and autos... My auto loader loaded with hi brass defensive 00-buck has yet to malfunction even when shot under stress and odd positions. Not once...not yet anyway.

    I have short shucked my pump when running & gunning and shooting from odd positions but that doesn't mean I dont like it any less.

    A handgun can be limp wristed and pump shotguns can be short shucked and an auto loaders can fail to cycle ect ect...train to use what ever you decide to buy and learn to work through malfunctions rather than plan to never have a malfunction.

    I own both pump & autoloader and practice malfunction drills just because I feel I need to know what to do. My Glock may malfunction some day and I practice tap rack bang drills for the same reasons...even Glocks malfunction!!! lol.
     
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  9. pilsbury

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    "Us" is Choate Machine & Tool.

    riflestock.com
     
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    Thanks! I checked your profile but didn't see anything. Maybe put this URL there!
     
  11. 2 Hawks

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    That would be the action spring tube:whistling:.
     
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    I prefer pumps just for the BA factor. But I also own a semi-auto. It's more for fun than HD though. I'd trust either gun, both are great for the money.
     
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    He said a gas tube sticks out the back? Its called a recoil assembly spring and tube. Not a gas tube that sits in the butt stock.
     
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    OK. Very good. But i said a gas tube that protrudes out of the back of the receiver, not a gas tube that sits in the buttstock. In any event, it would be hard to put a pistol grip on an automatic with the gas tube recoil assembly spring tube attached to the back of the receiver. Gee.
     
  16. aippi

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    The guy that said "Action Spring Tube" is correct as that is the exact name of that part. I would think some of you would take the time to learn the parts and proper names of them since you are going to be responding to post and would want people to understand your point. The 1100 is not operated by a gas tube. It is operated by a gas piston that rides on the magazine tube and moves the action to the rear. The action spring then forces the action forward. All this mess is just somthing else that you have to stake your life on when using a gas operated semi-auto shotgun. If you can't see that a pump is more dependable by simply looking at the design and operation of each weapon then you will just not get it.
     
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    This debate is historical. It goes back in time...just not sure how far.

    1st: Most HD, tactical shotguns are pump for reliability of feeding. Most auto shotguns on the market today are very dependable, however.

    2nd: The "trigger happy" issue. It does exist and is documented. Going a little crazy with an auto shotgun can be fun but it is a powerful weapon in close quarters.

    As far as a stock goes, personal preference. I do not like pistol grips on anything but a pistol. A shotgun has a considerate amount of recoil. You can either have your hand absorb it or your shoulder. It's a no brainier to me. Pistol grips are commonly used for door breaching and ease of carrying on an assault pack. I didn't mention vehicle operations because I would not choose a pistol grip shotty for that scenario :shocked:

    The best of both worlds is an adjustable stock and this is what I use. 2nd issue of the traditional shotgun is it carries most it's weight upfront when it's fully loaded due to mag tube. More shells, the longer the tube = more weight weak hand carries. I'm happy with 5-6 shells :supergrin:
     
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    Sorry bro, I didnt mean any harm. I see your point which was the same as mine essentially.
     
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    Modern semi auto shotguns are very reliable. Just like modern semi auto handguns are reliable. But you have to test both of them thoroughly with your defensive ammo to ensure they cycle reliably.

    Pump action shotguns are more reliable and handle a wider variation of shells, but they must be operated properly. Short stroke a pump action shotgun under pressure and you have a mess on your hands. Hopefully your pistol will be nearby.

    I just spent this weekend with my sons Boy Scout troop on a shooting camp out. We put 2,000 rounds of light #8 loads through various 20 ga and 12 ga shotguns mostly Mossberg pumps and Remington 1100 semi autos. The only shotgun that had a feeding problem was a 14" Benelli M2 that a LE dad brought along. It would not cycle light bird shot or some reduced recoil slugs. The full power stuff it was fine with.

    I'm coming up on 46 years old, I've been shooting pump action shotguns since I was 8. I hunt with them and I shoot trap and skeet with them (including doubles), I am very intimate with the pump action and don't worry about short stroking it. I prefer a pump action shotgun for home defense.

    I also think that if someone has a semi auto shotgun for home defense and they have tested it for reliability with their home defense loads that it will work fine for them.
     
  20. DaGroaner

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    For me it's like asking auto-loading pistol or single-action revolver. You can put an Ace folding stock on a Saiga. I prefer an M-4 style collapsible stock myself.