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Problem with my S&W 13-3

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by 3rdgen40, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. 3rdgen40

    3rdgen40 .45 fanatic

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    I recently aquired a Smith model 13-3 at a local gun show.Took it out to shoot it last weekend and realized the single action trigger pull was extremely light.As in "hair trigger" light.So, after reading the "how to check a revolver" sticky I performed the test's.I can cock the hammer and push it off the sear with slight pressure.So, I am assuming someone got carried away with a trigger job on this gun.What parts do I need to replace to bring the trigger pull back to factory spec's? Are these parts still available?If not, are there any other options?This gun was purchased as a CCW, so this trigger pull is unacceptable.
    What can I do ? :dunno:

    UPDATE:
    Finally got it back from S&W.They fixed the timing, but did nothing about the trigger pull.I asked them to check it and return to factory specs.So, I guess it's okay.Going to the range today and see how it shoots.
     
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  2. tgmr05

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    First, for ccw you should never be cocking the hammer manually, you should be shooting double action.

    Second, glocks have spoiled folks with their parts interchangeability. A revolver may or may not function properly with swapped out parts. Without seeing it, etc. it could be more than one part messed up. A good gunsmith is your best bet. Get to know them, and they will help you learn what you need to know.


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  3. 3rdgen40

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    Thanks for the "how to shoot a CCW " tip .:upeyes:
     
  4. tgmr05

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    You are the one who said the hair trigger is unacceptable


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  5. tgmr05

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    The single action hair trigger.


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  6. tgmr05

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    The trouble you are speaking of affects the single action trigger pull, not necessarily the double action. You really should go to a gunsmith. They can more easily show you


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  7. tgmr05

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    Then attend a firearms class of some sort so you can understand the advice given to you concerning single action/double action and revolvers in a ccw/self defense situation


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  8. Tiro Fijo

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    It means that some knucklehead before you has jacked with the guts, probably the sear and that you need to have new parts fitted. That's the good news. The bad news is that S&W no longer carries nor makes these older forged parts as they now use MIM.


    1. Start checking gunbroker for parts.

    2. Start looking for a QUALIFIED gunsmith to install & FIT the parts needed.


    You should have checked this out BEFORE buying the gun. Live & learn.
     
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  9. 3rdgen40

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  10. TN.Frank

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    You may be able to stone/file the SA notch back into shape so it'll not push off and fix the problem without the need for any parts. If I had the gun here I could pull it apart and check it and probably get it so that you'd have a decent SA let off without it being dangerous. S&W revolvers really are quite easy to work on once you get the hang of it. Only other gun that I'm as comfortable working on is the 1911a1, they're pretty simple too. Good luck with getting it fixed, the M13's really are nice little carry guns and once you get your bugs worked out I'm sure you'll really fall in love with it.
     
  11. tgmr05

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    Did not mean to offend you, just offering some truth. Most young shooters have no clue about revolvers other than what they have read. When I got out of law enforcement 20 years ago there were folks who had never shot revolvers. You would be shocked to know the number of folks, over the years prior to semiautos becoming the preferred le gun, who thought cocking the hammer was the way to properly shoot a da revolver.
    Based on your questions, I gave you sound advice. Sorry it offended you.

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  12. 3rdgen40

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    I will give that a try thanks.
     
  13. CAcop

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    I would send it to Smith. They have worked on older revolvers before. What you are describing is called "push off." Smith might also be able to convert it to DAO if they can't fix the single action notch.
     
  14. Bruce M

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    I'd try Smith and Wesson first and if not find a gunsmith (probably an older one) familiar with Smith revolvers. I don't doubt that if one knows what one is doing the repair may be easy but I have heard that some experience in fitting and dealing with geometry can help. A couple decades ago it seemed that there were about as many people who you paid who could screw up a revolver trying to do a trigger job as there were who could get it right.
     
  15. 3rdgen40

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    Upon further inspection, I just found that one cylinder is out of time.Think I will call S&W monday.
     
  16. Bruce M

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    Best of luck with it. Smith and Wesson treated me very well and others who have had experience with multiple companies say their customer service is one of the best.
     
  17. Chup

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    Who ever sold it to you was aware the gun had a problem. That's whats wrong about buying at a Gun Show. Dishonest people sell their junk there.
     
  18. 3rdgen40

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    Doing more research on timing.Is it possible for just one cylinder to be out of time.I have checked all 6 cylinders several times.It only happens on 1 out of 6.If the hand is worn, wouldn't every chamber be off?
    This is the method I'm using to check timing.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkyuD3EjN6Y"]Checking Timing on your Revolver, by www.ArmsPost.com - YouTube[/ame]
     
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  19. pennlineman

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    The push off may be able to be fixed as TN.Frank said. If there is not enough metal left to square things back up then a hammer and/or trigger replacement may be needed.

    The timing issue is more of a result of one of the ratchets on the cylinder being worn down a bit. An oversized hand may fix this as it would advance all six chambers into lockup quicker. If so I doubt you'll ever notice the difference between them unless that one ratchet is way out of wack. If that does not work in addition to the new hand you will need the ratchets cut so they they are all in sync provided there is enough metal there to do so. If not there is a possibility that the extractor may need replaced.

    At this point I'd let S&W take care of it.
     
  20. tgmr05

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    Good revolver smiths are hard to come by, anymore. It does sound like your best bet is to contact smith and wesson. Just know, you can wind up spending more than you paid for it....

    Having one chamber out of time, typically is a sign of wear, and as others mentioned, it could be as easy a fix as stretching the hand, or as bad as needing extractor replacement. Your 13-3, could be from an era where smith had some quality issues, and wore a little faster than expected, too....

    Look into top strap cutting, cylinder endshake, and forcing cone cracks/wear, too. If you find excessive play, a lot of cutting on topstrap, or too much wear on the forcing cone,.. you may be better off selling it. If the cone is cracked, you may be out of luck all together.