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Pro-gun lobby skips two words: 'well-regulated'

Discussion in 'Gun-Control Issues' started by HerrGlock, Jun 6, 2011.

  1. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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  2. Atlas

    Atlas transmogrifier

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    I was told once that the term "regulated" was at time the Constitution was written synonymous with "equipped", as in "well equipped".
     

  3. rhone89

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    Adults playing with guns? That's seriously the logic they are using? And did he REALLY try to imply that all you need to stop an insane gunman is your f---ing bare hands!?

    Jesus Harold Christ someone please remove this ignorant pos from the gene pool.
     
  4. stevelyn

    stevelyn NRA Life Member

    Anything written in a WI paper is worthless.
     
  5. HerrGlock

    HerrGlock Scouts Out CLM

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    For the next few months it's going to be chock full of gun stuff until something gets passed and then a few months after that until people get used to... nothing happening.
     
  6. HexHead

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    And the antis always seem to gloss over four words, "Shall not be infringed".
     
  7. More than a few states do too.
     
  8. LoadToadBoss

    LoadToadBoss IYAAYWOT

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    Yes, linguistic context is essential for a proper understanding of the text. However, a proper exegesis of the constitutional text is beyond the ability and the desire of the anti-self defense lobby.

    "Well-regulated" and "shall not be infringed" in modern semantics are incompatible. The moment one begins to regulate a right it become infringed upon.
     
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  9. MtBaldy

    MtBaldy Obie Wan, RIP

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    All right, I even registered to post this:

     
  10. Jerry

    Jerry Staff Member Moderator Millennium Member

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    Excellent reply! You stated it much more eloquently than I could/would have. I’d love to have seen you add, (I know, it wouldn’t be considered “civil”) is… Dock, you do know that doctors accidently kill more people every year than guns do? I just can’t bring myself to be “civil” with those people.
     
  11. MtBaldy

    MtBaldy Obie Wan, RIP

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    Thanks. Yeah, I thought of a number of ways to continue but ended it there for the sake of decorum.
     

  12. Do you have any sort of reference for that? Sounds like someone is just trying to change the word to fit their view...


    Dictionary.com

    reg·u·late


    –verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing. 1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.: to regulate household expenses.
    2. to adjust to some standard or requirement, as amount, degree, etc.: to regulate the temperature.
    3. to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation: to regulate a watch.


    "regulate
    c.1630, from L.L. regulatus, pp. of regulare "to control by rule, direct" (5c.), from L. regula "rule" (see regular). Regulation is first recorded 1672, "act of regulating;" sense of "rule for management" is first attested 1715. Regulator is first recorded 1655; in Eng. history, with a capital R-, "member of a commission appointed in 1687 to manage county elections." In U.S. history, applied to local posses that kept order (or disturbed it) in rural regions c.1767-71. Meaning "clock by which other timepieces are set" is attested from 1758."
     
  13. However, I note that the first part of the second amendment simply supplies a reason for the second part... which is the directive issued in the amendment.

    As passed by the Congress:
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    As ratified by the States:
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
     
  14. Gunnut 45/454

    Gunnut 45/454

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    WI is run by stupid Liberals and Unions! So if they get CC which I highly doupt they will make it so hard to do it will be useless ! This is the state that enforces the Unconstitutional 1000' exclusion zone for schools! In Madison you can't carry a firearm anywhere in the city that you wouldn't be in violation!:rofl:
     
  15. FireForged

    FireForged Millenium #3936 Millennium Member

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    I have read a quote from Alexander Hamilton where he said something to the effect of:

    .....going though enough required military exercises to aquire a degree of perfection would entitle the milita to a character of being well regulated.

    I am no scholar but it would seem to me that "well regulated" refers to rules and requirements.
     
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  16. paragon1

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    In the time and context of the Constitution, "regulated" meant something along the lines of "in good working order".
     
  17. Do you have a citation for that interpretation?
     
  18. eracer

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    You mean for the anti's, right?

    Because we know that the etymology of 'regulated' is historically synonymous with 'trained,' right?
     
  19. eracer

    eracer Where's my EBT?

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    Alexander Hamilton's words in Federalist Paper No. 29: The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.
     
  20. He seems to be saying that he disagrees with the insertion of the requirement for a well regulated militia as it would be a real grievance and a serious public inconvenience and loss. I don't see how this affects the meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in a historical context...
     
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