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Pro 2000 Videos?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by StaTiK, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. StaTiK

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    I'm on a RCBS kick lately and haven't been able to find much info. This is not a "which is better" thread, just one to find some info.

    Does anyone know where to find a caliber changeover video of a RCBS Pro 2000? "Gavin" has them for every press except the green one. Everyone says that the green press is excellent for changing calibers, and that the new PTX makes it competitive with the other colors, but I haven't seen it in action.

    I'm specifically interested in the newish powder through expanders. A few people have posted the process of using a PTX on the RCBS, but I'm having a little trouble visualizing it.

    Are there any videographers (or wordsmiths) out there?

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  2. StaTiK

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    I've also heard that cursing is involved when/if the APS gets jammed. Has anyone seen a video of the remedial action?

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  3. Tpro

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    The biggest issue I had with RCBS was/is price. IIRC it is as much (or more) than the Dillon, yet doesn't do anything more or have any more features than the Dillon or the LnL AP for that matter. I'm not sold on the priming system, but I've never used it. I know calibur changes are easy on the LnL AP, and from what I've seen the 650 doesn't look hard.

    I also don't know how the PTX "makes it competitive with the other colors", when you can use the PTX on any press.

    Again, the two big factors I look at are PRICE (and anyone who says price doesn't matter is fibbing at best) and what FEATURES you get. That's why I don't understand the 550 Dillon. I know many will argue it's simplicity but I don't want to pay that much and index the thing. So, I would need to understand what the Pro 2000 does so much better than the others, or, what features it has you don't get with something else. I looked hard at the P2K but didn 't see a value for the price.

    Or, you can buy the P2K and see how it does. I'm sure it will operate perfectly and do what you want. I see no reason why it won't function like anything else.
     
  4. StaTiK

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    Sorry if that came off wrong; I have no opinions of the RCBS because I've never used it. My point was that one of the biggest knocks against it used to be that it needed a separate expander station which made it similar in functionality to other 4 station presses.

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  5. IndyGunFreak

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    Everything I've ever *read* and *heard* (ie, never used one) about the Pro 2k's priming system, has been 100% positive.
     
  6. Colorado4Wheel

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    Here you go. That video has a bunch of links.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJVkKV4UqUY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

    I have a shooting friend who had a RCBS (don't know which one). When clean it worked great. Spill any small amount of powder and the primer setup would jam up badly. It seems RCBS has made some improvements in their machines but I don't know what he had vs the most recent model. He eventually got a LnL and is happy with the LnL. I would buy from a place that gave me a return policy to get all my money back (like Midway). Just to be safe.
     
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  7. IndyGunFreak

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    Dirty priming systems, seems to be the achilles heel of every press. I figure it goes w/o saying that you need to keep the priming system clean in order for it to function properly.
     
  8. Colorado4Wheel

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    Some are worse then others. 550 didn't care about some spilt powder. I have yet to clean my 650 primer setup for any reason, LnL was also fine in that regard.
     
  9. StaTiK

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    Thanks for the link, there are some good videos about press operation there. I didn't see any caliber changeovers or PTX usage, though, maybe I missed it.

    Ultimate Reloader has a good video on adjusting the LNL (very similar powder measure) but he uses custom inserts made on a lathe. It's a pretty slick idea, but I'm trying to find how involved the process is for the average joe who doesn't have a machine shop in their garage.

    If you haven't seen the custom insert I'm talking about, look here (start at 0:55).

    -StaTiK-
     
  10. Colorado4Wheel

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    I took a look at the Powder Expander on the RCBS site. I like the design of it better then the LnL PTX I tried. It should allow unlimited flaring. It's going to basically require you to screw the powder measure down to increase flare. Hornady had issues with that so they provided the Limiter. This type of linkage doesn't like the torque applied to it when you flare. RCBS should have it figured out. It would seem that you could adapt the Hornady limiter to the RCBS with just a little work. If these things scare you I would just buy it from Midway. You got 30 days to return it. Also, RCBS has a very nice instruction manual on line. It doesn't include that part but to me it seems pretty simple (move the measure down for more flare).
     
  11. Colorado4Wheel

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    If you like seating and crimping in separate stations you are going to have to put the bullet on the case when it's back in the 11 o'clock position. Kinda back there a bit. Watch the video and you will see what I mean.
     
  12. StaTiK

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    "Gavin" does make great videos. This one is really helpful (as most of his are) but it doesn't show a PTX. If you jump to 5:13 he walks through the die setup and it uses a regular expander in station #2, which I think is how RCBS intended it.

    I know exactly what you mean, that's one of the first things I noticed. In the video you can see him lean forward a little bit each time to look inside the case. Again, I've never used this press so I have no idea whether this is an issue or a non-issue. It does seem to be more ergonomic with a lockout die in station #4 and a seat/crimp in #5.

    -StaTiK-
     
  13. Colorado4Wheel

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    11:00 is about where seat it on the 550 (I used to seat it at station 2). But the difference is the 550 has a powder check at 7pm. Nice and easy to see. Pro 2000 has the powder check at 1pm and then you would seat at 11pm. Not ideal in my opinion. If you like seating and crimping at the same time it's a non issue. I would not like that as a limiting factor.
     
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  14. Tpro

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    StaTiK, you don't need a lathe in your shop to make those spacers on the vid. You need a piece of aluminum tubing (prolly could even be plastic if you can find the right i.d.) with the correct o.d and i.d (not that hard) a hack saw and some files.

    Cut the tube to plus 1/16 inch of what you need and file flat on both ends. DONE. I actually have a lathe here at the house so I would use it but if I didn't I would use the file and hacksaw method. It's not rocket science. And a foot of tubing would build a LOT of spacers.

    Just a thought................................
     
  15. StaTiK

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    Sorry about the late reply, it wasn't until I read the post again that I noticed your question.

    The features that I find interesting regarding the Pro 2000:
    - APS priming looks promising. Perhaps more importantly, changing primer sizes seems to be the easiest of any progressive press and it looks like depth adjustment is super simple (and near unlimited depth).
    - A fixed PM at station #3 with a micrometer means you only need one for every pistol caliber (affecting price). Though admittedly you need to expand in station #2 to maximize the efficiency of the stationary PM, which has its own repercussions.

    One gripe that I have is that I cannot find any steals on a used one. With RCBS's reputation and warranty I would prefer to find a used one but cannot. Dillon 550s, for example, pop up from time to time when people upgrade to a 650... or at estate sales or during economic downturns.

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  16. StaTiK

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    It took me watching a couple more YouTube videos before I figured out that you meant to visually inspect at station 2 (7 o'clock) before indexing and seating at station 3 (11 o'clock).

    Did you have any priming issues with your 550b?

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  17. Colorado4Wheel

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    No priming issues with my 550. You just keep it clean. I would wipe the area right in front of the slider before loading. When it would finally hang up I would clean the setup. Cleaning takes 5 mins. Wiping takes 5 secs. I probably cleaned ever 2-3K rounds but I never kept track. It was not a big deal. There are a couple ways people could put the setup together to make it more likely to have issues. I would be happy to walk you through how I did it. My entire 550 experience was extremely positive.
     
  18. Tpro

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    I like to save cash too, but sometimes you've got to spend money to get something. You can spend 80% of new (roughly) to get a used Dillon, or you can pay full price. I never EVER spend 80% of retail for ANYTHING used. But that is me. I don't care about warranty or if it's made factory new for free. If I'm buying used I'm not paying 80% of retail no matter whose name is on the valve covers.

    Maybe you need to step up and wrench open the wallet for a P2K. You can make avid or take pics and post them here. Who knows. You may be ahead of the curve on this.

    For point of reference I was >< this close to buying that press. I had an engineer from RCBS on the phone for 40 minutes. We went over tolerances, manufacturing processes, heat treating and finishing procedures (without my notes that is all I can think of but I'm sure we covered other things as well) but in the end I didn't care for the priming set up (you might like it) and the mechanism for indexing...and a couple of other things. But I have no doubt the RCBS is worth a try.
     
  19. StaTiK

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    I actually think the priming and indexing are positives for me. I do have some reservations on other things, though, which is why I am searching for videos. I'm honestly not trying to rally for or against any press, but trying to educate myself before spending (what I consider) lots of money.

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