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  1. sk65

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    I was a 19K10 (yes, I was a DAT) back in 90-93 and I'm thinking of going back in under a medical MOS like 68G, 68D, 68P.
    My question is, is if I go back in, is it possible they can force me to go back to being a 19K10 if there is a critical need all of the sudden due to the war?
    Also, is there anyone out the that is in a medical MOS that can tell me about where I may be possibly do training, where stationed which I assume could be anywhere, required ASVAB scores....etc.?

    Any input would be appreciated, thanks
     

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  2. Biscuitsjam

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    Regular Army, Army Reserve, or Army National Guard? I'm assuming that you're considering the Regular Army...

    Here's a page that lists the medical MOSs and their requirements. A regular medic could get sent just about anywhere - if you want a specific answer for a different MOS, you'll have to specify which medical MOS you are interested in.

    http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/medical/medical-mos.html
     

  3. sk65

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    Sorry, I should have put more info in there.

    It would be regular army and the three MOS's I am looking for are

    68G: patient administrative assistant. It's described basically as a front desk or records personnel.

    68D: operating room specialist

    68P: radiology
     
  4. eisman

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    A. Yes, you can be assigned based on MOS (first, second, third, whatever.) But, odds are you'll not be pulled out of a Medical MOS (although admin types get looked at pretty quickly). Plus, they really aren't looking for DATs (or CDATs), and that's not likely to change in the near future.

    B. Trained? Very high probability=Ft Sam Houston. Stationed, could be anywhere, they have mission going in about 45 countries. You may want to consider the fact that medical will be a huge part of the missions being directed to Africa in the not too distant future as they stand up the command there.
     
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    I'm a little late on this but as I was in a similar situation...

    You of course could go back to your old job (needs of the army over all) but chances are highly unlikely. On my first enlistment I was a 63T Bradley Fighting vehicle Mechanic, this MOS is now highly needed since the wars started. I have never even heard a whisper about me being sucked back in. In fact the MOS 63T is not even on my ERB. So reenlist with confidence.

    As far as where you would train all the 68 series that I know of train at Ft. Sam Houston. Now that you are prior service you will be much better of as you don't have the same restrictions as the IET soldiers (at least that was how it was in '04). Ft. Sam is a decent post.

    As far as where you will be stationed? Remember this, a Soldier has the most influence when he initially enlists. Unfortunetly few of us know this at the time. The second is when we reenlist. Tell the recruiter where you want to be stationed and have it IN THE CONTRACT.

    Now your choice of MOS are decent. The best on is probably X-ray tech as it can translate into very good money in the civilian sector. All the 68D I have meet have great job satisfaction. That said the opportunities for advancement (see promotion points to junior NCO, and selection to Senior NCO) are low. 68G I don't know too much about except they usually work in patient admin pretty boring with little to no patient interaction.

    I myself am a 68X Mental Health Specialist. I'm a SGT and am currently deployed to Iraq in a Combat Support Hospital (CSH). I hope your still around and my first post helps you make a decision.

    Edit: ASVAB scores for medical are high for most medical MOS you must have a GT of 110 or higher.
     
  6. ShelbyGoat

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    I have been a recruiter for 3.5 yrs. I am currently on orders to go to Korea. I am a 19D.

    Yes, you can go back into the Army into a job you want. Once you lock in a MOS at MEPS, they cannot re-assign you back to 19K. You will get re-trained in your new MOS.

    Realize though, that some MOS's are only entry-level position and will nto take Prior Service becuase of their training cycle, how many people are in that MOS currently, and some other factors that you cannot see.

    Dealing with Prior Service people is hard because MOST want the world in their contract and think the Army owes them something for coming back in. They want bonus money, schools guaranteed in their contract, certain MOS's, etc. Sometimes its physically not possible for MEPS or anyone to do that and the Prior Service applicant gets all pissed off.

    Go down to MEPS with an open mind and realize that you will either get to pick a new job (which is what you want) or pick a place to be stationed (that is available) and keep your old job.

    You will not be taking the ASVAB test again and must see if you qualify for the job you want with the score from your inital entry into the Army.

    Let me know if you have anymore questions.

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  7. sk65

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    Well, just what I was afraid of, I'm getting conflicting information from two different recruiters in the same office.
    One is telling me that I will have no problem getting an MOS in the medical field.
    The other is telling me that because I was prior service in a combat MOS that I am only limited to that MOS (19K) or another combat arms MOS.
    I've told them ahead of time that I am set on only looking at Medical jobs and that if they thought my expectations were unrealistic, just say so, that way I don't waste their time.
    The hard part is getting consistent information. I hope I am not being too demanding with them, I just want the right information up front.

    SSG Stricker, I'd tried pm'ing you but your profile was closed, I hope I can get you opinion also.

    Thanks everyone for you replies also.
     
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    I think you should try talking to a different recruiter in a different office. You can't trust these two.
     
  9. sk65

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    That's my feeling also, I assume right now that combat MOS's are a top priority but I told them from the start that I was not interested in that area this time around. It seems the closer I get to my MEPS appt. the more conflicting information I get.
     
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    I was Infantry for 8 years. I joined back up in 2001 as a medic. It wasn't even an issue. That recruiter is pulling your leg in order to fill needed positions.

    Get what you want or go to a different recruiter. Also, it doesn't really matter what you and your recruiter agree upon. What matters is what you can get from the career counselor at MEPS (the NCO who draws up your contract). Do your physical, sit down in the chair and tell the man what MOS you want. Also, there has to be some type of bonus available. Don't screw yourself. Get whatever you can out of them.

    Good luck.

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  11. ShelbyGoat

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    The recruiters are only telling you from experience. With PS applicants, we don't know what jobs are going to be offered to you until you get down there. The problem with the medical field and PS applicants is the training. Since you are coming from 19K over to a 68-series MOS (most likely) you will have to be "implanted" into the medical training course, bypassing basic training. This has a certain number of slots nationwide and when those are filled, they are filled and those MOS's for PS applicants are closed for the fiscal year. Therefore You HAVE to go to MEPS and see what the counslors can get for you, since the Recruiter's have no say in your job and where you go. We can only pull jobs on non-prior service (NPS) applicants from the office.

    A PS applicant is also limited in that you cannot get alot of MOS because they are closed to you and only only to NPS applicants because of the reserved training seats available. Sorry to say, but the Army and the Military Recruiting and Retention is going very well right now, therefore they can limit the categories that enter into the Army. That directive comes far above the Recruiter level.
    My advice to you is let your Recruiter know that you may not pick a job at MEPS. The worst part about being a Recruiter is an applicant that goes down and does not come back with a job (PS and NPS). That fires the 1SG right up. If you let the recruiter know beforehand, he can imform the 1SG and all is well if you don't pick a job that you want.

    When you get down to MEPS, talk with counsolers, don't tell them what you want. If you are a dick to them, they just shut down, atleast that's how they work here in Charlotte. They are civilians, most, if not all, retired Army Recruiters themselves.

    Good luck in this experience and let me know if you have anything else.

    You can contact me @ david.stricker @ us.army.mil for further communication.
     
  12. SgtSchroeder27

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    Here is an idea, you can enlist into the National Guard under the 'Try One' option (which is for PS to enlist for one year with no bonus) under the MOS you want (if there are open slots), get MOSQ'd and then go over to the Regular Army with that in hand.

    I also am a Recruiter for the National Guard and agree with ShelbyGoat, the Army and National Guard are doing very well and I tell applicants everyday that they can't be to picky on the MOS they want. Because of that I can no longer enlist ANYONE PS or not without a 50 or higher on the ASVAB until the strength level goes down.

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    That's an option I didn't consider or know about, I will bring that up to them today.
    Does ASVAB score help at all with getting considered for more MOS choices? My GT is 120, not sure if that's in the median range or considered high. I assume it's good enough if 50 is the minimum.
     
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    So it is still like that? I am good friends with the ARNG recruiter here and it sucks for him, but good for the Military I guess...haha

    Seems to be the whatever the ARNG is currently doing, the Army seems to be getting a few months later, whether it be enlistment standards to the referral bonus.
    Your actual ASVAB score doesn't mean dick when it comes to jobs. It is your line score, GT, ST, and 1 or 2 others being the most important. There is a matrix where you put in your ASVAB scores and tells you exactly what jobs you are qualified for or not. I think I still have it and will email it to you.

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  15. sk65

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    Well it's been about 6 to 7 weeks since my first visit to MEPS for my first physical, I've had severa since then due to the fact that I just turned 42.
    My next question, is there a time limit that my physical will remain valid? In other words, after a certain amount of time, will all my test results expire and I'll have to do this all over again.
     
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    Hey, if you're still wondering about AIT for 68P, I can tell you a little bit about that, as I was there just about a year ago for 68K training. We Kilos, Papas, and Quebecs were all in the same company, so I can shed some light on that for you.
     
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    I'd appreciate that, that's was going to be my first choice. We're you prior service also?
     
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    don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but I was just told by a good friend the ARNG has dropped the age limit to 35 and any prior svc (RA or NG) requiring moral or conduct waivers will be denied at this time.

    I've been trying to re-enlist since oct 08
     
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    Yes, it is possible, if you want to retain the rank you seperated with they can require you to stay in that MOS. HOWEVER, the Army doesn't have much need for tankers right now, and are reclassing a lot of them into 19Ds, so you may be safe...

    For medical MOS' you will almost certainly be sent to Ft Jackson, SC for BCT, and then you will be sent to Ft Sam for at least the first 2 phases of your training. Some of the MOS' will transfer out of Ft Sam after the initial phases of training. I.E. 68WM6 (LVN) are transferred to just about anywhere with a hospital...

    As far as ASVAB, with a GT over 110, you can do pretty much anything in the Army.
     
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    The Army has not lowered any age limits that I know of....My wife is in the process of signing with the Guard and is 37.