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Pope Francis tells atheists to abide by their own consciences

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Altaris, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. FriarTuck

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    Agreed.

    I respect Catholics as fellow Christians, but this pope has said some unBiblical things, such as this most recent bit. Then there was his bit about not judging homosexuals (the Bible says it's an abomination), and his bit about using empty nunneries to house refugees (if he was referring to Christians fleeing Muslim murderers, then okay. But if he was referring to bringing more Muslim invaders into Western lands under guise of being 'refugees', then no way).

    Following one's God-given conscience is certainly better than violating it, but the Apostle Paul noted that good works alone aren't enough for salvation. You need faith in Jesus.

    Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Mohammed might have deluded themselves that they were righteously following their consciences too. But how many really think that God will judge such sinful, anti-Christian evildoers favorably?

    I for one sure wouldn't count on it.
     
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  3. Sarge1400

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    I love how your reading comprehension, and comprehension in general, suck.

    It's a Religious ISSUES forum. We're here because we have ISSUES with religion.
     
  4. DonCT

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    There goes FT again with his obsessing over other men's private parts. I swear, I've never seen a guy who cared so much about other dudes' junk.

    So the pope says it is not our place to judge and the bible humpers don't like it.

    Next thing you know the pope will be dining with prostitutes and tax collectors.

    Where does Francis get his wacky ideas?
     
  5. fnfalman

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    So when Jesus said judge not lest ye be judged or love thy neighbor...he wasn't speaking for God? And that he was pandering to the homosexuals?

    You Christians are do hypocritical that it makes me LOL.

    One guy talks about fire and brimstone and forcibly converting non-believers, yet at the same breath he denounced Islamic teaching of the same.


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  6. 2@low8

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    So if your beliefs (or lack thereof) are right, I believe what I do, live a moral, profitable life, die and cease to exist in body, soul, or spirit. No harm, no foul.

    If I my beliefs are right, YOU believe what you do, live a moral, profitable life, die, and burn in Hell for all eternity.


    Personally, I like my odds better.
     
  7. Sarge1400

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    Sigh.....Pascal's Wager.......again.:yawn:
     
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  8. GreenDrake

    GreenDrake Rip Lips

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    Yep, weakest one in the book.
     
  9. Syclone0538

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    I think most people have a decent idea of what's right and wrong. If I was theist I would probably think this was a gift of god.

    So if a theist and an atheist agree on the golden rule, of course the theist should say even the atheist should follow their conscience.

    :dunno: What's the big deal?
     
  10. wingryder

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    I appreciate the pope trying tuck me under his wing, but I don't want his blessing.
     
  11. English

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    You are leaving out all the wasted hours you spend praying and the hours of anxiety you spend doubting your own religion. How much of your life is it worth giving up for the untestable idea that you just might go to heaven for being "good" but might instead go to Hell for for some unknown technical infringement?

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  12. 2@low8

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    Forgive me for not knowing that there is a name for my statement. 52 years old and never knew that. Guess I learned something from Glocktalk today.

    That said, the outcome is the same. One of us is right and one of us is wrong. We can't both be right. I believe there is a God and that my soul will spend eternity somewhere. I believe the Bible teaches the way to spend that eternity with God through faith in Jesus. Others, maybe you, choose to believe there is nothing beyond that which is here and now. In the end, if you are right, well, you'll never know because you will cease to exist. If I'm right, you'll know it forever.

    P.S. I won't go to heaven for being "good." That's not how it works.
     
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  13. FriarTuck

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    Notice how they scorn and mock "Pascal's Wager", but fail to provide any logic or facts to support their rejection. Not very logical or 'scientific' -stuff they typically pride themselves on.

    They miss the Pascal's point; where will you spend eternity? In Smoking or Non-Smoking?
     
  14. Animal Mother

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    Only because it has been provided innumerable times in the past, and are again in the cartoons linked in previous posts.
    You miss the fatal error in Pascal's wager, it presents a false dichotomy. It isn't a choice between heaven and hell, as the wager appears to imply. It's a range of possibilities from Valhalla to the Elysium Fields to the Tr&#257;yastri&#7747;&#347;a to Omeyocan to Hades to Nga-atua to any number of other possibilities, including nothing. That doesn't even take into account the various denominational differences which, according to different sects, can allow one into or bar one from an eternal reward.
     
  15. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    What if the Muslims are right? Or the Hindus? or the Catholics?
     
  16. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 Glockoholic

    It wasn't that long ago that the pope said all you have to be is a good person to make it into Heaven, now he's saying you don't even have to believe in God. What a shame really, especially to those who hang on this mans every word.

    I'm of the opinion that this new pope is the false prophet mentioned in the Bible.
     
  17. 2@low8

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    That's why it's called faith - Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." You have faith in something, maybe just not the right thing.
     
  18. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 Glockoholic

    Well they do have faith alright, but like you mentioned, not in the right thing. Just like all the atheists on here, they're brimming with faith, faith that there is no God, those poor souls. Of course we know that what their end will be, but that's why we must pray for them, God loves them!
     
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