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Pontiac Torrent: Made in China

Discussion in 'Car Forum' started by thejackbull45, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. thejackbull45

    thejackbull45

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    Went car shopping today and found out that the Pontiac Torrents engine is made in China! I couldnt believe it. They lay off 30K people but build their engines in China. Makes me ;0
     
  2. kawalerzysta

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    Its equivalent Chevy Equinox's engine is also made in China. Third twin of Torrent nad Equinox, Saturn Vue, is using Honda engine instead chinese powerplant.
     


  3. dfbarnes

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    Most of the UAW people I know make me sick.
     
  4. thejackbull45

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    ?
     
  5. PhuzzyGnu

    PhuzzyGnu Señor Member

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    If you buy a GM car, $1600 goes to pay for employee benefits.

    The 30,000 people losing their jobs are losing them becuase the unions have steadfastly refused to make any meaningful concessions for decades and have effectively priced themselves out of the market- similar to the fates that the airlines faced.

    You can not pay people $40 an hour or more for life to do largely automated, unskilled labor and expect to remain competitive.

    I believe unions were instrumental in gaining better working conditions, better wages, and better benefits in the past. Now their jutted-chin denial of economic fact is costing their members' jobs, their companies' fiscal stability, and shareholders' value.

    My 2¢.

    -p.
     
  6. Davegrave

    Davegrave Dapper Dan

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    I've yet to find an anti-union post I didn't like.
    They had their place, they served their purpose, time to move on.
     
  7. CMA G21

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    I believe GM worked out a trade with Honda for those engines (GM diesels for the Honda 6 cylinder engines for the Vue).
     
  8. thejackbull45

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    I agree but do you think buying from China is a solution?
     
  9. dfbarnes

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    I do have to wonder if it would have been better to come up with something from somewhere different... I thought GM was working with Daewoo? Is that the Aveo?
     
  10. epsylum

    epsylum Boolit Hoze

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    Buy a real car, buy a Toyota.

    ;f

    The Japanese car companies will soon be employing more Americans than the American car companies.
     
  11. PhuzzyGnu

    PhuzzyGnu Señor Member

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    Is buying a Toyota made in Kentucky more patriotic? How about a Honda made in Ohio? Or a Dodge truck made in Mexico?

    The lines of "country of origin" are blurred. Buy whatever damn car or truck floats your boat.

    -p.
     
  12. thejackbull45

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    China is a far different animal than Mexico.


    And yes I would buy Toyota over GM. As far as I have seen the Toyotas are American/Japanese made.
     
  13. thejackbull45

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    American car makers are not competitive because they make crap compared to Toyota/Honda.

    The greed in Detroit starts at the top IMHO.
     
  14. PhuzzyGnu

    PhuzzyGnu Señor Member

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    Toyota and Honda make engineering works of art- no doubt. And I will agree that many American "price-point" cars are not as good- not crap, but not as refi

    Crap was an 88 Pontiac 6000. An '82 Cutlass. A '78 Mustang. the American car companies are lightyears ahead of where they were.

    Anyway, like I said, buy whatever damn car floats your boat. A friend owns and will only own for now until the end of time Toyota MR2s. An eco-weenie friend drives a Prius. My neighbors drive two Pontiac Grand Prix because he used to be a manager at a dealership or something. My granny likes Crown Vics and Grand Marquis because they are what she likes. My mom drives a Lexus LX470 because, of all things, it kneels 3" when you push a button and is easy on her replaced knee. My in-laws only drive Chevy Silverado pickups because of their work and because they load up and go to Mexico all the time and because "Ford sucks". My wife drives a Suburban because of the two kids. I drive a 20 year old van because I sold my motorcycle because my wife has a newer Suburban because of the two kids.

    Personally, if I was gonnna by a new vehicle it would be a diesel flatbed Ford or Dodge truck. I wouldn't buy anything the aforementioned people bought. But that's me.


    And the greed always starts at the top in any corporation because that is where greed is fed.

    -p.
     
  15. thejackbull45

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    Its a shame no one cares about this, a real shame.
     
  16. Markcuda

    Markcuda A gun a month

    Your right, I could care less :)
    Buy what to hell makes you happy :cool:
     
  17. thejackbull45

    thejackbull45

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    Yeah its all about you.


    Maybe you will care when this country no longer exists.
     
  18. Markcuda

    Markcuda A gun a month

    When I spend my hard earned money, I don't care one iota about you;Q
    My money is not yours ;P
     
  19. thejackbull45

    thejackbull45

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    Since all you care about is money, how much do you think your taxes will go up due to layoffs, plant closures, business closings etc etc.
    Oh yeah thats right you cant think that far ahead.


    Hard earned money huh, you sound like a blue collar worker. LOL. Typical narrow minded thinking.


    Like I said, its all about you. Sorry to hear you dont care about your country. If everyone thought like you, we'd have no military, no public service nothing.

    Your mamma failed in raising you.