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Plate Carriers!!??

Discussion in 'Survival/Preparedness Forum' started by cotton617, Aug 13, 2012.


  1. cotton617

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    Alright, hopefully this is the right section for this...Anways, I'm interested in purchasing a plate carrier and there are many options that I have come across. To help you help me I will tell you what I am looking for.

    I would like a PC that is lightweight and comfortable, without sacrificing structural quality. I will be carrying M4 mags and maybe a couple other GP pouches. I will not need room for pistol mags as I prefer to keep those on my waist. Also Multicam and back protection are a must. I do not need tons of pouches, again I am trying to preserve comfort and mobility and limit bulk. The intended purpose for this PC at the moment is general preparedness (defense against general small arms fire) but I am currently in the Army ROTC program and will be contracting as a 2LT within the next year so this PC might have the possibility of seeing combat. If it helps at all I am 5'10 165lbs.

    The PC's I have been looking at:

    http://www.lapolicegear.com/tact-fl-platecarrier.html
    Tactical Tailor Fight Light PC

    http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/USP00400066.aspx
    US Palm ASP-C

    http://www.skdtac.com/PIG-Plate-Carrier-p/pig.502.htm
    PIG Plate Carrier

    http://www.skdtac.com/Mayflower-Assa...-p/mfr.512.htm
    Mayflower Assault PC

    http://www.cryeprecision.com/P-CPCD0...™-(cpc)
    Crye Cage PC

    http://www.cryeprecision.com/P-BLC04...™-(jpc)
    Crye Jumpable PC


    What are the main differences of these PC's? Which will suit me best? I am also a bit confused on which of these do and do not come with armor already? For the ones that do not, where can I buy the armor? Also what is the main difference between level III and level IV and what would be better for me?

    I would like to stay under $700 all said and done (PC, Armor, Pouches) But if there are recommendations for something significantly better for more money I would obviously consider.

    Thank you in advance for the help.
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  2. expatman

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    Those are all good carriers but I would stay away from the Palm since I don't think it will be the best choice for mil. operations. You may also want to look at Paraclete. There are websites such as greygrouptraining.com and atsgear.com and skdtac.com that have a good selection.

    I would not worry about purchasing armor since that will be provided by Uncle Sugar unless you just want some for your personnal use. If that is the case you will most likely need to adjust your budget. Perhaps double it or more.

    If you do not need armor and PC for personnal use then the Mil. will most likely be providing you with a KDH PC.
     

  3. emt1581

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    I went with a Banshee Carrier and Gamma plates...you can make that setup for well under $500...possibly under $350-$400 IIRC. I also got free side plates because the guy screwed up my order somehow.

    But that setup gives you .308/7.62 Nato (or is it 30-06)...but yeah....pretty decent protection for not a lot of money.

    A better place to talk shop for this would be lightfighter.com if you are millitary. If not, ARF.com has a nice gear forum.

    Good luck!

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  4. NMPOPS

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    Contracting? You are in a college ROTC program don't you owe the Military a minimum of 5 years active duty?

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  5. expatman

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    I think he means the contract between him and Uncle Sam.
     
  6. NMPOPS

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    I know. I just never heard it phrased quite that way before.
     
  7. cotton617

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    I will be signing an 8 year contract next December in order to commision as a 2LT.
     
  8. cotton617

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    Also expatman, the Crye JPC is $250 (w/o armor) but there platebag inserts are $150 each...if I am looking at the correct products. That would put me around $600 all said and done.

    http://www.cryeprecision.com/P-INSPS000LG0/Platebag-Soft-Armor-Insert

    Now I'm getting abit confused with the armor side of things...do I need to buy a hard armor plate for any of those vests and then buy soft armor to back it? Or just one or the other?
     
  9. expatman

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    One usually uses hard plates in conjunction with (ICW) soft armor. If you are not using full BALCS or SPEAR cut soft armor then you usually need plate backers which are just soft armor panels designed/cut to the shape of the particular shape/cut of plate you are using.

    There are also stand alone plates. Many people use plate backers with them as well.

    What you need to do since I am not confident enough in my knowledge base to go more in depth with you is to call someone like Greygrouptraining.com (they can be very helpful. I have worked with the owner; great guy.) or hop on over to www.lightfighter.net and get some more knowledgeable people to assist you. This is not something you want to get wrong.

    Myself, I use Army type ESAPI plates in a Diamindback Tacticl Advanced Warrior Fast Attack Plate Carrier. It comes with sewn in soft armor behind the plate pocket that acts as a plate backer.

    I am still confused as to why you want to buy this stuff yourself if Uncle Sugar will be issueing it all to you anyway. Just does not compute in my dial up modem world. At the very least wait until you get the stuff issued and then you will have a chance to educate yourself first hand. Either way it is up to you. I am just trying to help.
     
  10. Lone Kimono

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    Has anyone tried the TAG plate carrier?
     
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    I run a TAG Banshee with Level 4 for work.

    But the harsh reality of life is that you would waste money for a setup. You are better with soft body armor and a quality carrier for long term work. Stay light and mobile, not weighed down.
     
  13. Bushflyr

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    I would argue the opposite. Most civilians have no need for armor, hard or soft, in their day to day lives. But when they do need it they need the most protection possible for a short period. Comfort isn't as much of an issue as they won't be working in it long term.

    Bump in the night? Throw on the plates grab the AR and investigate. Riot outside? I want plates. Hurricane? I'm not going to go out into a violent situation to clear trees, they can wait till the zombies pass, or whatever.

    Cops need to get stuff done in an elevated threat environment on a daily basis. That's why it makes sense for them to trade the protection of plates for the comfort of Kevlar.

    I think a good set of steel Level 3 plates makes the most sense for a civilian. It provides the most protection, has no lifespan, won't rot, isn't fragile like ceramic, provides multi-hit protection (unlike most ceramic), and is way cheaper.
     
  14. TactiCool

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    I agree on all points above, and I run the same setup, with lv. 3 steelies front and back, no backers or inserts.
     
  15. AK_Stick

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    Anymore, with the advances in plates, I think most people would be much better off with a pair of ceramic/hybrid or poly plates, not steel.


    Steel is heavy, and the only real up side, is that its tough. The downside being, its heavy, and depending upon the plate, it doesn't always offer protection against some very common threats.

    Where as the ceramics/poly/hybrids are no where near as fragile as people seem to think, and are lighter to much lighter, generally offer better protection, and can be found in a wider selection of cuts, to find one that fits you.
     
  16. Bushflyr

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    Got links to good hybrids? I wound up with DBT Lv. III steels, but this was several years back. They were only a pound or so heavier than ceramic at the time and about a third of the cost.
     
  17. TactiCool

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    Which threats are those? My plates are NIJ III, but have been independantly tested to stop 6+ hits of M855 at 3,300+ fps in the same spot. I can't imagine too many other types of plate that could do that.
     
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    You need to do some research on the DBT lv III's, as they were found to not be NIJ compliant, and not actually LV III in some cases.

    Yours may be one of the effected ones, or may not be, I don't remember enough about what were and weren't but I'd advise looking.

    As for hybrids, currently, I think the best on the market is the AMI TAC3S

    http://www.armoredmobility.com/products_bodyarmor.php


    I know of several tests of that plate, at least two involving as many as 40 rounds, and I don't know of a single plate that has been tested to failure, against any of its rated threats.
     
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    What brand do you have? Simply being Level III, doesn't mean much. And if its a 6.5mm plate of AR500 steel, as many are, you may not be protected against all 5.56 threats.


    Some of the steel plates on the market, are not always capable of stopping 55 gr M193, or the LeMas rounds, as when penetrating steel, velocity, is often the key, not weight.

    http://www.armoredmobility.com/products_tacst.php

    Similarly, some of the poly plates on the market, will stop very fast rounds, like M-193, but M855, will sail right through.
     
  20. Lone Kimono

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    This is exactly why I'm looking for one.