Both are Nighthawk grips. I've tried the Gunners before and didn't care for them, they seemed to be soft to me. I'm not sure if they were older or newer. I know some of them have more ovals and are flatter, thus softer texture...at least to my hands. If VZ made the Recons in black with a flat bottom, I'd have a set by now. Not sure why they don't... Wanna kill these ads? We can help!