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Philly PD assault OCer at gunpoint-Chapter VI-Viper Not Guilty

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Jud325, Oct 27, 2011.


  1. Jud325

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    Congratulations, Viper!

    You stuck with it and set good precedence with Philadelphia PD!
     
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    You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride..... This saying applies to this topic well.

    No disrespect to this law-abiding citizen who was just practicing his right to do so. Just the way it goes.
     
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    My congratulations as well.

    But unless a case is decided at Appeals or higher, it's not a binding precedent on the system.
     
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    Correct. I should have completed my thought.

    The precedent was with Philadelphia PD, although it is my understanding that officers began receiving updated training on open carry very soon after the incident.
     
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    And now that he's been acquitted, they've got a judge's word as to what they can/can't charge.

    Unfortunately, this doesn't address the issue of who can/can't be stopped and how.
     
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    1. Don't know Viper would want his personal info posted.
    2. Russ, your link takes me to the first post on page 76. I didn't find the post where they talk about any court room testimony (these posts were dated last March). Can you give more precise directions?
     
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    Screw legality we can harass you and detain you for any reason we want. Nothing will happen to us unless you spend months or years and a substantial amount of money fighting back in the courts.
    I'm glad he was finally cleared and I hope he wins his planned civil case also.

    Before people try to label me as anti-cop, I'm not. I'm anti "Us verses Them" mentality that has become the ethos of some LE departments. I think the majority of departments are doing a great job of protecting and serving their communities.
     
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    That site has been cited on other sites where he participates as well as here while he was participating without his objection.
    Post #3008.
     
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    The who and how was covered in the training updates.
     
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    That's great to hear. Thanks for the update, and a huge CONGA-RATS to Mark and his attorney.
     
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    Excellent news!

    Congratulations Mark!
     
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    You're preaching to the choir. I agree with everything you said in that post.
     
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    If I understood correctly Open Carry is actually illegal, illegal unless you have a LTCF.

    See the situations that puts the police in? If they see you OCin' you are on the face of it, breaking the law with a gun.

    This is what we get with inane gun laws.

    Hopefully this case at lease puts some polite tones to the police's inquiry as to whether the OCer has a LTCF.
     
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    You only need a LTCF to open carry in PA in a "city of the first class". In PA the only city that meets the requirements for "city of the first class" is Philadelphia (even though there is truly nothing "first class" about Philly or the PPD)

    Regardless there was still no reason for him to have a gun pointed at him for OCing holstered weapon while walking down the street.
     
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    as do I.

    this was a victory for the good guys (gun owners and OPEN CARRY.)

    and a loss for the bad guys ("the system")