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Civil Liberties Patriot Act,,are theyconstitutional?

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Bravo 1, Jul 26, 2011.

  1. Bravo 1

    Bravo 1 Serious Infidel CLM

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    In regards to both laws, are they Constitutional?

    What are your feelings on the matter?
     
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    Dukeboy01 Pretty Ladies!

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    Yes.

    :wavey:

    Oh, and IBTL.
     

  3. Sam Spade

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    Vast majority of the act is old law. PA just collected it in one place.
     
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    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    First, you say both laws, what's the second one.

    Second, Cop Talk is not the place to ask members about the constitutionality of a law. It smells like a trap. Once a member responds, "It is not Constitutional," someone is going to start the "Then why the **** do you enforce it?" tirade. That discussion should be in Civil Liberties.

    Last, What do you mean by, "What are your feelings on the matter?". Are you asking if it is effective, is it beneficial to LE's efforts to thwart terrorism, is it working? Set some parameters for the discussion.

    And, yes, I am a pain in the ass. It is a well known and well documented fact. Just ask any one of these cops in here. I've slapped most of them up side the head AT LEAST once.
     
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    Besides the possibility of the question being somewhat inappropriate for Cop Talk, what do feelings have to do with the matter?
     
  8. Mayhem like Me

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    It is constitutional until it's ruled not to be...
    If it's passed by congress and signed by the president it's law of the land kinda like Obamacare...
    Then a challenge to the USSC on legal grounds can be made and a ruling could overturn the law as unconstitutional, we as citizens don't have the power or responsibility to judge that.
    We do have the Right to speak out against it however, but existing laws can still be enforced...
     
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    I would like to add, The way you have asked the question speaks volumes as to why you react the way you do.

    I would have asked "What are your thoughts on the matter?"

    You have a mindset based on emotion and feelings.

    Not good or bad it is just the way you base your decisions on feelings or emotion.

    You will find most, not all, Police Officers base decisions on thoughts or facts it's in their personality profile.

    Thinking vs Feeling.
     
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  10. Bravo 1

    Bravo 1 Serious Infidel CLM

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    Okay, some of you guys take yourselves WAY too seriously.

    One thinks it is a trap, one thinks he can psychoanalyze me by my choice of the word feelings.

    I feel like I am meeting a girlfriend's dad for the first time here.


    There is a a Patriot act 1 AND 2. They are not exactly the same thing.

    And the reason I asked police on here, is because THEY are in charge of enforcing parts of it. I would imagine they would consider the constitutionality of the things they do would they not?

    Or am I assuming too much here? :dunno:
     
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    Way too much thought sir. The choice of the word feelings can be easily replaced with opinion in this context. I tend to form opinions based on facts and experience, so opinions can be valuable too.

    Actually I can care less about feelings, I am much more interested facts and legality in matters.

    I personally do not agree with these laws or the latest court ruling in Indiana for example.

    It would seem the constitutions, both federal and state, in these cases are no more than toilet paper anymore.
     
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    I hear what you are saying, and I do not aim to get into a huge mud fest here. I am just looking for a genuine, honest consensus to compare you guys, who offer a pretty geographically diverse group-think of sorts.

    PITA,,, maybe,,:whistling: some,, but not like some other sites . It's all good.:cool:
     
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    your words betray you, you chose the words, and feelings is the choice you made.
    Not too much thought at all on my part, but I did think about my response and not feel it.
     
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    what do you not agree with?
    on what basis?
     
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    dbbl tap....
     
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    GT really needs a "lawyer" forum so people will quit posting this crap in CT.

    I am a police officer, not a lawyer or judge. It is my job to make arrests on probable cause, not interpret laws or judge a defendant's guilt.
     
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    See, there you go again, baiting the trap.

    You need to understand that most working cops are not going to make statements on open internet forums that could come back to bite them in the ass. Read the posts of the veterans here, those who know the drill, the politics of the business and you'll see that.

    I'll leave it at that for now.
     
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    I have one, two additional questions.

    You don't agree with the law. Does that mean you believe the law is unconstitutional?

    Second question, what is your personal opinion of those who enforce laws you deem unconstitutional?
     
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    And as noted before, the law was passed via the usual and recognized Federal legislative process. And at this point in time there has been no judicial review by the U.S. Supreme Court. So the law, as of today, is very constitutionally valid.

    So a third question can be asked. If you feel this law is unconstitutional, do you believe the legislative process also is unconstitutional?
     
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    Consider I suppose, but personal opinion does not necessarily equal what we will act upon. We have to enforce laws that we disagree with all the time, and the opposite is also true. There sure are some things I'd like to be illegal, but I can't wish it so. Our job is enforcing what's on the books, or more appropriately what our bosses and local jurisdictions demand that we enforce. Most places have old laws on the books that are ignored. We enforce what we're told or get penalized, and rightfully so based on the oath we take.