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pa May start photo/fingerprinting every gun owner + $10 per gun

Discussion in 'Pennsylvania Glockers Club' started by G10mm, Apr 1, 2007.

  1. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    Here is a E-mail that was sent to me and this is not a joke !!!On April 24, 2007 there is a Harrisburg Pro 2nd Amendment News Conference and
    Grassroots Lobbying Day that will give gun owners the opportunity to see pro-gun
    legislation introduced and to participate in ‘actual’ lobbying legislators
    utilizing team concepts. For more information on how YOU can help go to to see how you can fight to keep your gun rights OR get ready
    to deal with the consequences of this bill become a law that you are subjected

    IF you think this HB 760 or other anti-gun bills will never, ever have a chance
    at passing into a state law, then MY question to you is;
    Why, were you planning on personally doing something to help fight in stopping
    this anti-gun bill from become a law for a change?
    Not giving your money for someone else to doing your fighting for you, I mean
    you calling, writing, going to Harrisburg to helping to stop this and other
    anti-gun bills from becoming a laws. Gun Owners, DO SOMETHING BEFORE IT’S TOO
    LATE TO SPEAK UP...... think it won't happen here in PA - do nothing and WATCH
    it happen (remember gun owners in California and New Jersey said the same


    No. 760 Session of 2007

    CURRY, MARCH 19, 2007

    JUDICIARY, MARCH 19, 2007

    AN ACT

    1 Relating to firearm registration; providing for duties of the
    2 Pennsylvania State Police; and imposing penalties.
    3 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
    4 hereby enacts as follows:
    5 Section 1. Short title.
    6 This act shall be known and may be cited as the Firearm
    7 Registration Act.
    8 Section 2. Definitions.
    9 The following words and phrases when used in this act shall
    10 have the meanings given to them in this section unless the
    11 context clearly indicates otherwise:
    12 "Antique firearm." Includes:
    13 (1) Any firearm, including any firearm with a matchlock,
    14 flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system,
    15 manufactured in or before 1898.
    16 (2) Any replica of any firearm described in paragraph
    17 (1) if the replica:
    1 (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire
    2 or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or
    3 (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire
    4 ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United
    States and that is not readily available in the ordinary
    6 channels of commercial trade.
    7 (3) Any firearm, other than a machine gun, which,
    8 although designed as a weapon, the Pennsylvania State Police
    9 finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design
    10 and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and
    11 is not likely to be used as a weapon.
    12 "Firearm." A weapon which will or is designed or restored to
    13 expel a projectile or projectiles by the action of any
    14 explosive, the frame or receiver of any such device or any
    15 firearm muffler or silencer. The term shall not include:
    16 (1) Antique firearms.
    17 (2) Any device used exclusively for line-throwing,
    18 signaling or safety and
    required or recommended by the United
    19 States Coast Guard or Interstate Commerce Commission.
    20 (3) Any device used exclusively for firing explosives,
    21 rivets, stud cartridges or any similar industrial ammunition
    22 incapable of use as a weapon.
    23 Section 3. Registration.
    24 (a) General rule.--All firearms in this Commonwealth shall
    25 be registered in accordance with this section. It shall be the
    26 duty of a person owning or possessing any firearm to cause the
    27 firearm to be registered. No person within this Commonwealth may
    28 possess, harbor, have under the person's control, transfer,
    29 offer for sale, sell, give, deliver or accept any firearm unless
    30 the person is the holder of a valid registration certificate for
    20070H0760B0881 - 2 -
    1 the firearm. No person within this Commonwealth may possess,
    2 harbor, have under the person's control, transfer, offer for
    3 sale, sell, deliver or accept any firearm which
    4 unregisterable under this act.
    5 (b) Nonapplicability.--This section shall not apply to:
    6 (1) Firearms owned or under the direct control or
    7 custody of any Federal, State or local governmental authority
    8 maintained in the course of its official duties.
    9 (2) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by law
    10 enforcement officers who are not residents of this
    11 Commonwealth.
    12 (3) Duty-related firearms owned and possessed by
    13 corrections
    officers who are not residents of this
    14 Commonwealth.
    15 (4) Firearms owned, manufactured or processed by
    16 licensed manufacturers of firearms, bulk transporters or
    17 licensed sellers of firearms at wholesale or retail, provided
    18 that such persons have all licenses required by law.
    19 (5) Any nonresident of this Commonwealth participating
    20 in any lawful recreational firearm-related activity in this
    21 Commonwealth, or on the way to or from the firearm-related
    22 activity in another jurisdiction, provided that the
    23 possession or control of the firearm is lawful in the
    24 jurisdiction in which the individual resides and that the
    25 weapon is either:
    26 (i) Broken down in a nonfunctioning state.
    27 (ii) Unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm-
    28 carrying box, shipping box or other container.
    29 (6) Private security personnel who possess or control
    30 any firearm or ammunition within this Commonwealth. Firearms
    20070H0760B0881 - 3 -
    1 under this paragraph shall be owned and maintained by the
    2 security firm
    employing the security personnel and shall be
    3 registered by the security firm in accordance with this
    4 section.
    5 Section 4. Insurance.
    6 (a) General rule.--No registration certificate shall be
    7 issued to any person unless the person:
    8 (1) Has not been convicted of a crime of violence.
    9 (2) Has not been convicted within the five years prior
    10 to the application of any violation of any law relating to
    11 the use, possession or sale of any narcotic or dangerous
    12 drug.
    13 (3) Is not otherwise ineligible to possess a firearm
    14 under any Federal or State law.
    15 (b)
    Application.--Every person who is required to register a
    16 firearm under this act shall obtain an application for
    17 registration of the firearm from the Pennsylvania State Police.
    18 The application shall be in writing and sworn under oath and
    19 shall require the following information:
    20 (1) The name, home and business address, telephone
    21 number, date of birth and Social Security number of the
    22 applicant.
    23 (2) The age, sex and citizenship of the applicant.
    24 (3) The name of the manufacturer, the caliber or gauge,
    25 the model, type and serial number of each firearm to be
    26 registered.
    27 (4) Two photographs taken within 30 days immediately
    28 prior to the date of filing the application equivalent to
    29 passport size showing the full face, head and shoulders of
    30 the applicant in a clear and distinguishing manner.
    20070H0760B0881 - 4 -
    (5) Additional information as the Pennsylvania State
    2 Police may deem necessary to process the application.
    3 (c) Fingerprinting.--The applicant or registrant shall
    4 submit to fingerprinting by the Pennsylvania State Police
    5 accordance with procedures and regulations prescribed by the
    6 Pennsylvania State Police.
    7 (d) Records.--The Pennsylvania State Police shall cause to
    8 be kept an accurate record of each application received and
    9 acted upon together with all other information and
    10 pertaining to the application on all applications for owner's
    11 registration certificates issued or denied under this act.
    12 Applications for owner's registration certificates shall be
    13 numbered in consecutive numbers as filed, and each certificate
    14 issued shall be identified with the duplicate number of
    15 application upon which it was issued and shall expire
    16 automatically one year from the date of issuance.
    17 (e) Background check.--The Pennsylvania State Police shall
    18 conduct a criminal background check on the applicant to ensure
    19 compliance with
    this section. No application may be approved
    20 until and unless a criminal background check is completed.
    21 (f) Procedure.--Within 30 days of receipt of an application,
    22 the Pennsylvania State Police, after consideration of the
    23 application for an owner's registration certificate and all
    24 information
    obtained relative to the application, shall either
    25 approve or deny the application and notify the applicant in
    26 writing of the determination.
    27 (g) Approval.--In the event the application is approved, the
    28 Pennsylvania State Police shall issue to the applicant an
    29 owner's registration certificate which shall contain the
    30 applicant's name, residence, date of birth, photograph and other
    20070H0760B0881 - 5 -
    1 personal information as may be required by the Pennsylvania
    2 State Police. The owner's registration certificate shall not be
    3 transferable and shall be carried simultaneously with the
    4 firearm and shall be exhibited to any police officer upon demand
    5 for inspection. Registration shall not make lawful the carrying
    6 or possessing of a firearm if prohibited by law.
    7 (h)
    Denial.--In the event the application is denied, the
    8 Pennsylvania State Police shall inform the applicant in writing
    9 of the denial. Any applicant who believes that the applicant's
    10 application is wrongfully denied may, within ten days after
    11 receiving notice of the denial, file a written appeal of the
    12 denial in accordance with 2 Pa.C.S. (relating to administrative
    13 law and procedure). Within three days after notification of a
    14 decision unfavorable to the applicant and all time for appeal
    15 having expired, the applicant shall surrender to the
    16 Pennsylvania State Police the firearm for which the applicant
    17 was denied
    18 (i) Renewal.--Each registrant must renew registration
    19 annually. Applications for renewal shall be made by a registrant
    20 60 days prior to the expiration of the current registration
    21 certificate.
    22 Section 5. Additional duties of registrant.
    23 Each person holding a registration certificate shall:
    24 (1) Notify the Pennsylvania State Police of:
    25 (i) The loss, theft or destruction of the
    26 registration certificate or of a registered firearm
    27 within 48 hours of the discovery of the loss, theft or
    28 destruction.
    29 (ii) A change in any of the information appearing on
    30 the registration certificate within 48 hours.
    20070H0760B0881 - 6 -
    1 (iii)
    The sale, transfer or other disposition of the
    2 firearm not less than 48 hours prior to delivery.
    3 (2) Return to the Pennsylvania State Police the
    4 registrant's copy of the registration certificate for any
    5 firearm which is lost, stolen, destroyed or otherwise
    6 disposed of within 48 hours.
    7 (3) Keep any firearm in the registrant's possession
    8 unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock, gun
    9 safe or similar device unless the firearm is in the
    10 registrant's immediate possession and control while at the
    11 registrant's place of residence or business or while being
    12 used for lawful recreational purposes within this
    13 Commonwealth. This paragraph shall not apply to law
    14 enforcement personnel or security personnel while in the
    15 course of their employment.
    16 Section 6. Application fee.
    17 A nonrefundable fee of $10 per firearm shall accompany each
    18 application for registration of a firearm and renewal of
    19 registration of a firearm.
    20 Section 7. Penalty.
    21 A person who violates this act commits a summary offense.
    22 Section 8. Regulations.
    23 The Pennsylvania State Police shall promulgate rules and
    24 regulations for the implementation of this act.
    25 Section 9. Acquisition or possession prohibited by law.
    26 Nothing in this act shall make lawful the acquisition or
    27 possession of firearms or firearm accessories which is otherwise
    28 prohibited by law.
    29 Section 10. Effective date.
    30 This act shall take effect in 180 days.
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    here is the link to the HB 760 bill on the states web

    Gey involed and So something before you have to pay a yearly 10 buck per a gun
    fee for the privilege of being allowed to posses a firearm. Its ONLY a RIGHT IF
    you fight to keep it.

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  2. n3hcp

    n3hcp Paranoid Member

    Nov 22, 2002
    South Central PA

  3. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    thank for info
  4. n3hcp

    n3hcp Paranoid Member

    Nov 22, 2002
    South Central PA
  5. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    I didn't see the posting and I couldn't sit back and nothing .
    I wonder how many people will go to Harrisburg and voice there opinion
    On this on 24:shocked:
  6. paccw

    paccw ARE YOU READY !

    Aug 18, 2004
    If you are a NRA member you have been alerted by E mail about bill 760.

    I have E mailed all my local reps,so no thread needed to be started.

    This has a very good chance of passing because it's $10.00 per year per gun.And they know how many guns PA has.

    This is MILLIONS of dollars of "illegal tax" so be very afraid!

    If this passes I will move to Florida with the rest of my family.
  7. jack76590


    Aug 15, 2004
    Recent article in Lancaster Newspaper. And as previous poster pointed out is $10 per gun per year. Link

    Bill will hit owners with $10 gun fee
    By P.J. Reilly, Staff
    Intelligencer Journal

    Published: Apr 05, 2007 10:03 PM EST

    LANCASTER COUNTY, Pa. - Every year, Pennsylvanians are required to register their vehicles with the state Department of Transportation.

    The fee is $36 for passenger vehicles.

    A group of Democratic state legislators from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh wants to require Pennsylvania gun owners to do the same thing — at a yearly cost of $10 per gun.

    The proposal is drawing swift opposition from the shooting public.

    "I can't imagine anybody coming up with something this absurd," said Joe Keffer, owner of The Sportsman Shop in New Holland.

    State Rep. Angel Cruz of Philadelphia, the primary sponsor of House Bill 760, said his office has been flooded with phone calls, letters and e-mails since he introduced the legislation last week.

    Despite the tidal wave of opposition, Cruz said he is determined to push the bill forward.

    "I'm not saying you can't have as many guns as you want," he said. "I just think the state should know where your guns are every year."

    House Bill 760, co-sponsored by state Reps. Rosita Youngblood and Cherelle Parker, both of Philadelphia, state Reps. Jake Wheatley and Lisa Bennington, both of Allegheny County, and state Rep. Lawrence Curry of Montgomery and Philadelphia counties, requires the annual registration of all firearms, except antiques, with the state.

    Registration would be done through the state police.

    Every registration would have to be accompanied by two photographs of the person registering the gun, and those photos would have to be taken within 30 days prior to the registration date.

    Also, people registering guns would have their fingerprints taken by state police, which would be charged with keeping all of the state's firearm registration information.

    It would be illegal to own a gun and not have a registration certificate for it.
  8. paccw

    paccw ARE YOU READY !

    Aug 18, 2004
    I know what they mean by Philly trash now.
  9. Nicky D

    Nicky D CLM

    Apr 25, 2004
    Souderton, Pa.
    This is absolutely absurd. I love how they try to penalize us for being responsible gun owners. Yea, lets charge a yearly fee for all of your guns and see what we do with the money that we collect. More government waste! I can't even begin to think of how much this is going to cost us in the long run.I look at my gun safe and start to cry with the money it will cost every year. How does this apply to criminals? Will they be charged a penalty for not paying their $10?:rofl:

    How are they going to implement this, do I have to bring all of my guns to a state police barracks, do them come to my house to catalog what I own, are guns currently owned grandfathered in?

    This is an absolute disgrace of an idea, I am so glad that the dems are in power, I feel so much safer now:50cal: :steamed:
  10. paccw

    paccw ARE YOU READY !

    Aug 18, 2004
    grandfathered in

    Now you see what this plan really does.
    They will have a count of all guns for the first time in the history of this state.
  11. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    We lost 30 pro gun seats and were replaced by anti gun people . the estament of 4 to 5 million guns in pa means 40 nto 50 million dollars that go into the state budget for there pet project .( And we do nothing to crub the violence in phila ) And YOU THINK THIS DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE . I HOPE YOUR READY TO BE CATLOGGED AND THE REST . It this mind set that let 50 cal in Ca be band look what happend there .:steamed:
  12. MOHAA Player

    MOHAA Player Guest

    If this ever passed I quess I will be a criminal because I will never register my weapons or stop carrying no matter what.I'm picking up a Yugo underfolder in 3 weeks,I want to make that purchase in honor of the scumbag Dems,and want to let them all know to kiss my butt crack with some Rem oil in it;)
  13. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    I know you won't be alone .this is why I e-mailed and called everyone i know so this won't become law . Becauce this won't do anything to stop what's happening in phila at all.
  14. MOHAA Player

    MOHAA Player Guest

    A certain group of people;) walk around with unregistered,stolen guns with filed serial numbers high on crack robbing,raping,and killing people for nothing more then there next crack fix,and what does Mayor John Scumbag Street,and other scumbag city council members decide to do to solve this problem that is to blame for the city's high murder rate,they attack legal gun owners who pay taxes,and work everyday for a living.I wouldn't expect anything less from a piece of street trash like John Scumbag Street who grew up in scum,and poverty like the scum that is commiting these crimes.Thanks John Scumbag Street for being the worst Mayor this city ever seen:steamed:

    John Scumbag Street says guns kill people,but doesn't Mayors who suck cause more deaths then any single gun could ever?
  15. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    I am glad I don't have to work in phila anymore becauce of this . 3 or 4 year ago when the safe streets program was running the rate was low?
    And then the cut the program and cut PD down and now have ( The catch and releace program go full tilt )And they can't figer out why the crime rate went nuts!!!!!:shocked: :ambulance:
  16. MOHAA Player

    MOHAA Player Guest

    I do Para-Transit in Phila starting my pick ups at 5am Mon thru Sat,and if your familiar with the city I do most of my pick ups in North Phila,Germantown,West Oaklane,West Phila so that is why I pack everyday,G19,spare mag,Pepper spray,and a 4" folder:2gun:
  17. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    Now I see why . I worked like 2nd and dimend / 6th and lindley ave just to name a few places i have worked down there . And I thout I had it rough. G10mm
  18. Marauder.45

    Marauder.45 Can'tre-MemberS

    Nov 27, 2005
    Jersey Bore
    Looking at this from over the bridge really saddens me. PA was supposed to be my escape plan.

    Looks like I'm going to have to go farther west. :frown:

    Why is solving the gun violence problem so hard? Kids spend more time in jail for a bag of weed than they do a gun. I've never seen a bag of weed bust a cap on someone. If you are carrying an illegal firearm, 15 years. Period. Charge 14 and up as adults for firearms possession. That'll curb the thug gun culture right quick.

    The few law abiding suburban kids that get snapped up can afford the right lawyer to circumvent the mandatory sentance.

    There are kids here in Atlantic City that don't do a minute of jail for walkin around with their .25. They only do any time if they are caught with a bunch of drugs. BS.

    I don't carry illegally, and I'm licensed in 2 states to carry. I guarantee that I would spend years in jail for carrying, make front page news, and ruin my life. But every thug can get probation for carrying a gun. :crazy:
  19. G10mm


    Jan 23, 2007
    Just when you thought it was safe to get out of the peoples republic the anite have been busy little beavers screwing up the hole east coast . And now they are starting in Pa thair **** here . But with over 1 million hunter and + target shooters they are going to have a nasty fight on there hands . Were do I give money to get phila out of Pa :50cal: :alex: