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Owe the IRS? You're Not Going Anywhere

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by snerd, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. snerd

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    We're back to a debtor prison nation.
     
  2. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    I wonder how this applies to government appointees?
     


  3. aircarver

    aircarver Ride Continues Silver Member

    Them, we don't let back in- the country .....:supergrin:

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  4. snerd

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    I'm sure they'll claim diplomatic immunity.
     
  5. They make the rules but are not concerned with following them that is only for those of us paying the bills.
     
  6. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    :thumbsup:
     
  7. Brucev

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    If someone owes taxes due and is delinquent in payment of that tax, they cannot expect to not face consequences. If that means they can't leave the country for a little vacation trip, to bad. Let them clear up their bill. Then if they want to leave the country, let them leave. If they don't come back, no loss. But they should not be allowed to leave the country for whatever reason and leave behind them a debt owed.
     
  8. G19G20

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    May your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.

    Only a matter of time before the national debt itself is tied directly to your name along with a bill.
     
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  9. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    Yeah, and where does this **** end? Next up, is ANYTHING that can possibly be classified as any sort of "tax evasion" will be a federal crime. Like not reporting certain kinds of illicit income. Millions of Al Capones out there, ya know.

    http://money.msn.com/taxes/bribes-thefts-and-other-taxable-gains.aspx
     
  10. callihan_44

    callihan_44 INFIDEL

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    how about obamacare? ohh you dont have healthcare and owe the irs a penalty...sorry your denied.....give em an inch and they take miles
     
  11. Brucev

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    Chains? I don't waste time wallowing around feeling sorry for myself. Be a man. Pay your bills... all of them. No one gets to live like they are the only person in the world. No one gets to only have things exactly like they want them. If you don't like everything that taxes support, so what? There are folks who feel just as strongly about paying taxes to support things you think are worthwhile. That's just the way the world works. Be man enough to pay up. If you make the money, pay the tax and don't run around crying and whining because you don't get to make all the decisions about where the money comes from and how it is spent. You don't like it? Come November, cast your ballot. And live with the consequences.
     
  12. Brucev

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    Simple answer is to eliminate all deductions beyond perhaps interest on a initial home, charitable contributions and school loans. Given that so many like to pay online for this, that and the other thing, tracking what someone makes should not be so difficult. And... if someone is seeking to hide income either in the U.S. or overseas, they should be prosecuted. They are criminals.

    Of course the nice result of all of the above would be that enough folks would actually get concerned to the point that congress would be forced to actually address the problems with the tax system. Get enough folks upset... then the change will come. The "war on drugs" has served to so criminalize marijuana with such extreme penalties that serious movement is being made to decriminalize its possession and use. The only real opponents are those whose financial interest are vested in continued criminalization. Let the same be done with taxes. Let enough regular people be impacted and change will come. Until then, as long as only a few people are affected, as long as the broad majority are left alone, nothing will happen.
     
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  13. Angry Fist

    Angry Fist Dehumanizer® Lifetime Member

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    Fify.
     
  14. certifiedfunds

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    That is the idea.

    Tax code has nothing to do with funding government. It is solely structured for control and power accumulation.

    That's why views like BruceV's are so insidious. Essentially he's saying if you don't give into the government coercion you should gladly accept the consequences.
     
  15. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    There aren't enough folks paying taxes.
     
  16. HarlDane

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    The simple facts are:
    1. The government has the lawful authority to collect taxes.
    2. Prohibiting those who owe large amounts in back taxes from leaving the country is a reasonable action.

    Who pays taxes, how much they pay, what the money gets spent on and whether or not the method of collection is moral or economically beneficial are wholly separate issues.
     
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  17. HarlDane

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    Next up? This isn't new. Illegal income has always been taxable.
     
  18. rhikdavis

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    I wish I made enough to have a 50,000 tax bill.

    I hate how they hide tons of unrelated **** in one bill. There oughtta be a law against THAT!

    Sons of *****es!
     
  19. podwich

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    Be a man? Really? The national debt is $15.6 trillion (and growing rapidly). US unfunded liabilities are $118 trillion. Our deficit

    "Be man enough to pay up. If you make the money, pay the tax and don't run around crying and whining because you don't get to make all the decisions about where the money comes from and how it is spent."

    Really? Get a life. Debt this insane is a chain. Not cool.
     
  20. Brucev

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    I am not unaware that U.S. debt has reached the level of the extreme. It got that way because everyone was willing to party down and let the next generation pay the price. Now the time to party is winding down. And the time to pay up is drawing close. The price that must now be paid is a nightmare. But lets be honest. It is a nightmare that everyone of us without exception created. There is no one who has not been the beneficiary of this mess. From the social welfare programs so many despise to the military industrial welfare that has been ruinous to this nation, all have been responsible, without exception.

    Who's going to do the paying? We are. And everyone else. The was to do the job is to spread the pain out. Cut unessential social services. Cut the military to defense and not a international police force/rent a cop/nation building force. Raise marginal rates to the levels that were the norm of the post WWII 1950's era. That will be a start. It will not be done overnight. But it will get done.