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Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by Scatch Maroo, Sep 29, 2004.

  1. I agree with you. We need a combination of energy AND penetration. One or the other generally won't be enough.

    I also agree that for large animals (bear) we need a deep penetrating hollowpoint. That is why I carry XTP's in the woods as a backup to my SG or rifle. I really have gotten to like the Black Talons though. The expansion characteristics in the video I posted are superb. Yes, I know it wasn't flesh, but the expansion this bullet gives in water is a good example of what it may be capable of. If I get to the gun show this weekend I will keep my eye out for some. I wish Winchester still produced the 10mm Ranger round. That would be nice. Perhaps a call or email to Winchester is in order. It sure can't hurt, especially if we can convince them the 10mm is back on the rise and there will be a demand for factory ammo.

    I will disagree on one point you made. The data for 10mm shootings is lacking. I personally would like to see more data, with the different loadings / bullets / power levels. More data can only benefit the 10mm and shooting community in general.

    Thanks for the dialogue. :wavey:
  2. Tazz10m

    Tazz10m Mod Aerator Moderator Millennium Member

    Bunch of data right here in The 10 Ring.

    Deer are very similar to humans as per bullet/load performance. Although i'd also like to see more data specific to 10mm on humans, but, the data from .40 is virtually exactly the same, but with light loads.

  3. Bongo Boy

    Bongo Boy

    Jan 11, 2012
    Colorado USA
    Ah...thankfully someone finally said it.

    I'll stick to worrying about whether I see him first and even get the chance to respond at all, even if with a dinner plate or my car keys. That should cover about 99.99999% of my personal defense issues.

    I'm 100% confident that whether I'm packing 230gr FMJs or 185 gr Gold Dots, my chances of survival have little to do with whether I'm even carrying or not. Did I hear the guy with the 2x4 come up behind me in time to get myself out of the way? Nope. But I'm packin' my 10mm loaded for bear, just the same.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2013
  4. Tazz10m

    Tazz10m Mod Aerator Moderator Millennium Member

    This thread only seems ridiculous if you don't understand it.

    Shower us with your wisdom, Bongo Boy.
  5. tyr0981


    Apr 9, 2012
    Portland OR
    lots of wisdom in these 2 paragraphs... situational awareness can negate the 'over-penetration' "problem".
  6. vaquero aleman

    vaquero aleman "ah-lay-mahn"

    Jan 9, 2009
    The Wild Wild West
    The handle was sticking out so I thought that I would pull on it...

    All of this would be great, if these loads actually achieved their listed velocity. Check out "ammo test" on youtube for verification.
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2015
  7. sns3guppy


    Sep 4, 2006
    That will work great when performing self defense against armed prairie dogs. People don't tend to explode when struck with handgun projectiles.

    One should never plan for expansion for terminal effectiveness, either.
  8. glockzilla10mm

    glockzilla10mm Deplorable Reptile! Lifetime Member

    Jan 2, 2016
    Darkest Side of the Sun
    See 22 plinksters vid on full 30 if you wanna see one splatter, but that's with a RIFLE
  9. glockzilla10mm

    glockzilla10mm Deplorable Reptile! Lifetime Member

    Jan 2, 2016
    Darkest Side of the Sun
    I've seen a CORBON 9mm 115 +p go thru with my own eyes

    A plastic wal mart tool box, a kitchen wall in a mobile home, a closet wall, a box stuffed with rags, a plastic vacuum handle, the closet door and into the opposite wall

    From a g19,

    Make your own conclusion.
    Carry on...

    ZILLA #10646616 10 ring Cajun Cook..
  10. Tazz10m

    Tazz10m Mod Aerator Moderator Millennium Member

    Of course.... which is why it's more important to make sure you are hitting what you want to hit and not "missing". One doesn't need to "miss completely" in order to "miss badly". If the "hit" doesn't hit that which needs to be hit in order to effect a "stop".... it's a "miss".

    That said; i don't, and never do, recommend living in mobile homes. That's like living in a paper house that's made to be blown away. If it doesn't get blown away by some sort of "act of God", it's still blowing your money away as such homes never even hold their value much less increase in value... although... i'm sure people could make money renting them out, especially in this present economy.

    That said; if you are using proper ammo "overpenetration" will NOT be your biggest concern; MISSING WILL BE.

    Shot placement begins with your aim, not with your gun or ammo choice.
  11. blastfact


    Aug 15, 2011
    You worried about over penatration and a 10mm. You don't need a 10mm, 357 Sig, .357 mag or a 9mm in +P or +P+. When I bought my G40 the GS owner gave me 4 boxs of Hornady Critical Duty, 175gn FlexLock. Ran it over the chrono 1100 fps. Might as well be .40 short & weak. A freaking retail pud round. Pud ammo is not what the 10mm is about.
  12. BeRock


    Oct 14, 2016
    I thought the 10mm would put up more velocity than that. Hornady lists it as faster