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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Gareth68, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. College students between the age of 20-25 tonight that I asked, 8 said they had no idea and one asked "Wasn't he some kind of dictator or something?"

    The question?

    Do you know who was Mikhail Gorbachev?

    I suppose I shouldn't be, but I am shocked by my own ignorance at the current state of the educational system.

    This was a pivotal point in world history.

    I even tried to give the hint...

    "Mr Gorbachev tear down that wall"...

    At that hint, I got one guess of "Winston Churchill."

    We truly are doomed to repeat...

    They captured the educational system while we blinked.

  2. 2bgop


    Dec 5, 2006
    In the SEC
    I am not in the least bit shocked. I go through a dozen or so interns every year, we play pop quiz almost daily when I am in the office.

  3. Tackle


    Jul 5, 2011
    I'm 22 and a college graduate. Without Googling I think it had to do with the cold war. Your quote was said by a president Nixon, wasn't it?

    I never learned about the guy. Did not have history in college.

    We had more current stuff to learn about. I don't know how long subjects like Business Ethics (lots about Enron) and Economics have been around, but those were the typical generals. I had a lot of computer classes...depending on your age you might not have had them.
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  4. devildog2067


    Apr 20, 2005
    30 years ago, if you had asked 9 college students who Chiang Kai-Shek was, do you think they would have known?

    I agree. But there are lots and lots of pivotal moments in world history. Some are more important to some people than to others, just due to their perspective or interests or personal history. Do you know who Pak Chun Hee was?
    I'm not disagreeing with you that it's horrendous and sad. I just don't understand why you think it was different before. People have always been ignorant.
  5. devildog2067


    Apr 20, 2005
    Uhh... no.

    If you didn't learn history, in my opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to call what you received a "college degree."

    Everyone complains about gen eds and how worthless they are, but when we relax the requirements we end up with folks like this young man.
  6. Alls I know is Reagan had a CJ6 he liked to tool around his ranch.

    Just look at those smiles...
  7. Caver 60

    Caver 60

    Jun 12, 2007
    The OP is right on. The education system has totally failed us.

    That's why people think the Second Amendment only protects 'hunting or sporting use' weapons.
  8. devildog2067


    Apr 20, 2005
    We live in a country that produces more technological innovation than any other place in the history of ever.

    The education system has its problems, but to say that it has "totally failed us" is blind to reality. America's education system still cranks out some of the best and brightest people in the world.
  9. 686Owner

    686Owner NRA Life Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I'm not sure where I learned it, but I'm a bit older, 33. I think it was too recent to learn in any of my history classes, and I was too young to know what was going on when it happened
  10. Naelbis


    Oct 22, 2009
    Funny...I learned about it in my history classes in high school and again in my history classes in college. It isn't that they don't teach is, it is more that kids today don't really pay attention and the standards for passing keep dropping. Most of my college courses graded based on the highest performer, which depending on everyone else in the class could be a real boon. Or could make you hated for breaking the curve by actually paying attention and applying yourself.
  11. Considering how long he was influential and how short a time he had been dead in 1983, I would certainly hope so.

    I graduated in 1990, and I damn well know who he was...though I would misspell his name 3 outta 5 times.

  12. Tackle


    Jul 5, 2011
    Dang. I've looked it up now.

    I did not choose to skip out on was not even offered. I can't say it's my fault for not knowing as no one has ever mentioned Mikhail Gorbachev as being important. Apparently the education I received was not to include this. Looks like we're all doomed.
  13. 2bgop


    Dec 5, 2006
    In the SEC
    You went to a "college" that didn't offer history classes?
  14. BicycleDay43

    BicycleDay43 00 Buck dude

    Feb 4, 2007
    Oak Grove, Kentucky
    Nope, that remark was made by Ronald Reagan to the then head of state of the Soviet Union in reference to the Berlin wall. The Berlin wall was a structure dividing West and East Germany, and for the most part was a globally recognized symbol in the spread of Communism over Western Europe.

    Also, West Germany was using the HK G-3 at the time. There's a ton of cool firearm history to be researched from that era. :wavey:
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  15. It isn't surprising, if they are in college now then they were probably born between 1990-1994 to young to remember anything.

    I was born In 1984, I don't remember the cold war. I do remember the wall coming down but I didn't understand it. I just knew that my family was really excited about it. I remember wondering why the president of the US didn't have people to tear the wall down for him when he hit it with a hammer.

    In highschool, history classes usually stop at WWII or so. College classes cover the newer stuff and more in depth older stuff but they may not have had that class yet.

    I'm 29, too young for the cold war to be personal but I also enjoy history so I would have been able to answer the question even before going to college.

    Most people my age and younger have no idea what happened between the end of WW2 and their 10th birthday or so.

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  16. DoubleWide


    Sep 3, 2008
    I had fun with this for awhile.

    I'm going to ask you a simple question and just answer as quickly as possible. Tell me when you're ready.

    Who's the Vice-President?

    The combination of putting people on the spot and Biden not being memorable causes a lot of people to blank. Some will answer it right away and look at you funny for asking a simple question. Others will just be at a loss.
  17. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine

    Dec 21, 2002
    You think that's bad?

    Ask a cross section of people such things as,..........

    Who is the Vice President?
    Who did the US fight in WW 2?
    Just what is an Assault Weapon?
    Who did the Americans fight to win their independence?
    What is the difference between "their" and "there"?
    How many states are there? (course that's a hard one, obama doesn't know that :upeyes: )
    In what two mid East countries is the US fighting wars?
    Lincoln was President during which war?
    What was 9-11?

    ..........and I'm positive a large percentage of people haven't a clue.

    It's like stupidity is a virtue in our country.:dunno:
  18. Flying-Dutchman


    Oct 10, 2007
    And to think these people vote...:upeyes:
  19. ricka10


    Oct 22, 2010
    It seems to me that our children no longer get an education; they get an indoctrination. They are no longer taught how to think; they are taught what to think.

    I just hope that they do not let school interfere with them getting an education, but they will have to do it on their own. :dunno:

    Of course that is just my humble opinion so I will scurry back under the rock from whence I came. :wavey:
  20. RonS

    RonS Millennium Member

    May 27, 1999
    Oh, USA
    I often joke that the USSR placed sleepers in the US schools of education in the 1920's to sabotage the US by making us stupid and no one ever told them to stop.

    The main thing kids learn in history class now is to hate America.