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opinions on a Bushmaster Patrolman a3 carbine vs Spikes Tactical m4?

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by TsunamiMike, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. TsunamiMike

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    so i am looking at getting my first AR around black friday. The two rifles above are about $850 each and sounds like a good entry level point. Start with iron sights then move to optics later..
     
  2. samuse

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    Save another $250 and get a Colt 6920.

    Then it'll be LE/mil grade and you'll be set with a good gun from the get-go.
     


  3. boomhower

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    I agree and actually they are quite easy to find at <$1000 now.

    Of the two listed go Spikes.


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  4. Reswob

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    Curious which component(s) of the Colt you think are different/better than the Spike's? Both are 'mil-spec' with all the proper materials, fancy mpi testing, etc. Spikes has the goofy spider rollmark but that's the only thing wrong with it.
     
  5. boomhower

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    Spikes ticks the right boxes on the spec sheet and it's a good gun. For me it's several reasons that don't need to be rehashed here. Mechanically they are more or less the same. Resale value is also something that should be considered.


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  6. Or buy a BCM blem lower from G & R tact for like 269 + 15 for shipping and a BCM upper + bcg + charging handle and even some basic handguards all for around 670 shipped to your door. and have a great gun from the get go for probably a bit cheaper.
     
  7. Eurodriver

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    I agree.
     
  8. conch27

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    Can not go wrong with a spikes. I had a bushmaster as well and it was great. No problems with either. Colt is the standard and you can not go wrong there.
     
  9. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Trigger, trigger pins, sear, springs, bolt, bolt carrier, sights, barrel,
    gas tube, buffer tube, buffer, buffer spring, handguards, pivot pins,
    sights, upper receiver, lower receiver, trigger guard, grip, grip screw,
    butt stock & flash hider.

    You also get none of the BS from Colt like Spikes was dishing out a few years back.
     
  10. Top_Shot_31

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  11. IGotIt

    IGotIt No Demlibtards

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    Getting back to the original question, if I had to choose between the Spikes and a Bushmaster, I would choose the Spikes.
     
  12. I agree that Colt is the gold standard, but being fairly new to AR's i wanna know what the BS Spike's was dishing outa few years ago is/was. I will also add, that while many companies make a decent "Mil-spec" rifle for more or less money than colt, ONLY Colt and FN actually have the TDP... so really only colt and FN make true, 100% mil spec AR's... and FN doesn't sell them to us.
     
  13. Eurodriver

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    http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/783339_.html

    Spikes Tactical increased the prices of their stripped lowers by $65 (a full 50% increase) the night Obama was elected and then blamed it on an "increase in material cost" :upeyes:

    I will readily admit that I do not own a Colt. But if I were to do it all over again and buy my first AR15, I would get a Colt 6920 if only for the resale value.
     
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  14. I bought a Stag for my first AR, still have it. It works, but the upper will be replaced with a BCM. If I were doing it all over I'd still probably go the same route. I bougth a gun for 752 dollars to re familiarize myself with the platform, I can sell the upper for 500 dollars give or take and still have a perfectly good lower to use with a future BCM 14.5 middy. If colt sold 14.5's pinned, I'd start with them! But since I live in WA state, I can't own a registered SBR.... 14.5 with pinned is as short as i can go! plus, I trust the 14.5 carbine gas system probably more than any other but the 20 inch witha rifle gas system.
     
  15. Eurodriver

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    The first AR I bought was a Bushmaster, the 2nd one was a Stag.

    Then I discovered BCM, the chart, and became a born again AR owner :tongueout:

    I really like Colt, but I also like accessories. You really can't beat BCMs pricing and availability when it comes to custom uppers. They literally have everything, which is the main reason I've bought 6 uppers from them.

    If Colt started selling custom uppers, they would get my money but until then I'll keep throwing them at a BCM.
     
  16. Yea, you know if colt was pumping out uppers with the barrel lengths and gas configurations i wanted, I'd probably run all colt uppers!. I do wish though that i hada ready source of colt lowers just for the role marks. But again, at 269.00 for a blemished complete lower sans stock (which i'll replace anyhow) BCM is killing the comp! BTW, the AR I shot from my youth through young adulthood was my father's pre ban Colt Sporter II i think it was called. It was a fantastic gun, super accurate and fun to shoot when i was a kid.
     
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  17. QNman

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    Spikes makes a damn fine rifle, entry-level or otherwise. So does Bushmaster. I don't think you'd go wrong either way.

    I currently have several rifles and the Spikes is my favorite of the ones I own.
     
  18. Reswob

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    :upeyes: Keep on thinking that if it'll help you justify paying too much for your "hands down best AR-15 evar, everything else sucks even though it's made exactly the same" rifle...
     
  19. Made exactly the same vs what? If you're saying it's not better than a noveske, LMT, Bcm, Daniel Defense etc etc, I'll buy into that. If you're saying it's not as good as a DPMS, Bushmaster, RRA, Stag etc etc. Then I'll have to point out that you, are in fact crazy. I know the upper and lower naked frames are pretty much the same... that's where the "made the same" similarities end.
     
  20. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Stag is good stuff,.......I'd take one over a Spikes!
    If concerned about any parts/pieces replace the BCG with a BMC unit