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Opinions on .45 ACP 230 grain vs. 185 grain + p

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Fighting Irish, Feb 5, 2012.


  1. Fighting Irish

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    Has any one tested or had any experience w/ the .45 185 grain + p self defense ammo. I just picked up my Gen 4 21 and bought the standard 230 grain jacketed hollow points. Just curious about the performance differences between the two rounds.
     

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  2. Rumbler_G20

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    Define "performance".

    Barrier penetration? Feeding reliability? % of one shot incapacitation?

    Need more info. :wavey:
     

  3. cowboy1964

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    Stick with 230. Recoil with a 185gr +P has to be harsher.

    At 185gr you may as well just get a .40 and have a better sectional density and higher capacity.
     
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    Yeah, not a big fan of +P in the 45 in any flavor. The std vel 185gr RGS makes an honest 950fps in my little OM & 990fps in my 1911PD, recoil is very manageable.
     
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    It may depend on your ammo needs. I prefer the deeper penetration of the 230 grain loads myself. One of my favorites is the Hornady 230 grain XTP or TAP +P.
     
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    I've heard mixed results with the 185gr +P Golden Sabers and negative feedback on the 200gr Gold Dots.

    This link should help with your choices;

    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

    FWIW, there is not a national database for OIS detailing weapons used, let alone number of shots fired.
     
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  8. HKLovingIT

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    The 185 +p will shoot flatter at longer ranges, pretty flat out to 100 yards.

    I almost always go with the 230 gr Gold Dot in any .45 for social purposes.

    A 185 gr +p that might be useful to know about is the Remington green and yellow 50 count box. It will feed in even the most picky pistols. If you ever get a .45 that refuses to feed hollow points, even Golden Sabers (another great round in a picky pistol or just a good round anyway) try the Green and Yellow box Remington 185 +p.

    Other than that, I don't often carry them. When I do, I use 185 gr +p Golden Saber.
     
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    Flatter, funny. The diff between a 185gr @ 1100fps & a 230 @ 850fps is just not that big a deal out to even 100yds, like that is the measuring stick for a service cartridged anyway? The cheaper RP 185gr stuff is very erratic as to expansion. The RGS is a far better bullet design. Both will feed in most any pistol.
     
  10. The Pirate

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    I shoot 100 yards quite a bit with pistols and I can tell no difference. I guess there should be but they both make the gong sing if I can hold steady.


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    That is the point, to 100yds, there isn't much diff between a 850fps load & a 1300fps load, maybe 2" of drop, most can't hold 2" @ 100yds. Beyond 100yds, you start seeing it. Out to 50yds, the limit for maybe 90% of handguns hooters, ALL handgun rounds are flat shooting.:dunno:
     
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    Personally I prefer 230's in 45, I run Ranger T's in my 45's, I also have 230 GD's as well.
     
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    Fred, I'm just going to give you a hug. There, now I know you feel better.

    I think a lot of people would have trouble hitting anything moving at 50 yards with a handgun much less 100 yards. Wasn't suggesting it was a requirement or benchmark for a SD round. That would be silly. But, then again, this is the Internet. Someone will be along shortly with "This one time my friend and me were..." :rofl:
     
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    Then why mention it? I don't need a hug thanks, but the statement is laughable every time I hear this or that round is "flatter" shooting, like most can actually benefit from a couple of inches less drop @ 100yds from any handgun. Shoot out that far sometime & then you would never use that line again. Here, now you need the hug.:grouphug:
    BTW, yes I have shot well past 100yds many times, I used to shoot met handgun sil, all the way to 220yds! I can tell you, @ 100yds, it doesn't take much sight correction to get hits on a 6" plate w/ anything. BTW, who said anything about a moving target? Not impossible BTW, just asking.
     
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    Same here. I stick with the standard velocity 230 grain stuff. I never took a liking to the lighter loads in the .45 ACP though.
     
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    I shot my G20, 1911, and get this a Ruger mk3 at 100 yards today. They all shot as flat as the other as far as I could tell. I did have to aim at the top of the plate with the .22 though. I was shooting at an 8 inch plate.
     
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    Yep, kinda what I was getting at.:whistling:
     
  18. Fighting Irish

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    Good stuff fellas. Thanks for the responses. Looks like I'll be sticking w/ my 230's. Sounds like the reviews for golden sabers are pretty good....
     
  19. cole

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    230gr. IMO it's the more consistent, better performer.
     
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    I am a newb to .45 ACP, but wasn't the 230 grain designed mostly for the 1911 with a 5" barrel? So wouldn't it be more appropriate to use a 185 or 200 grain load in a short barrel .45 ACP such as a 3.5" barrel? The velocity of a 230g bullet out of a 3" barrel has to be very low, in the low 700 fps range I would guess or maybe less. Is that even enough speed to expand properly with a hollow point?

    Please be easy on me, I am just thinking out loud. Not trying to debate anyone.