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Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Coffee Dog, Feb 18, 2012.
Golden Saber Bonded seems to be good stuff, in any caliber. Hard to find though.
The HST bullet has a nice deep cannelure towards the base of the bullet to help prevent jacket separation and slippage. If that wasn't there I think it would shed the jacket.
I agree, and I wonder why it is so hard to find the GS Bonded in 9mm when the standard and +P non-bonded is so readily available. From what I can tell the .357sig GS is always the Bonded variety, but that's always difficult to find also.
sgammo has some Golden Saber Bonded in various calibers. Hadn't noticed that before, but I wasn't really looking for it I guess.
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I get 1,500fps from 125gr DT out of a 4.5" barrel and that is what I carry.
Next I would go with Corbon (of the ones you have listed), but they have a hard time going over 1,400 in most 3.9" barrels.
I get 1,500 fps from BB out of a 4.5" barrel, but do not like the bullet he has been using.
Contrary to some remarks the DT is a nice round to shoot. Not much flash.
If you want to move to pedestrian loads, I use 125gr HST's.
I prefer the "hotter" Gold Dot load (54234), but any quality HP traveling at 1300+ fps will most likely get the job done at HD distances.
Here's a video of Corbons .357 sig-125gr. being shot.
Thanks for the video. People sometimes look at the old design cup and core bullets with the distain of ineffectiveness. There were several effective HP bullets before the FBI decided penetration was key. I was glad to see the chicken because that is what I see when an animal is shot with a 1,450fps 357sig Seirra JHP. The destruction is massive and would never be seen with a ballistic gel test. I believe that energy does have an effect on flesh and bone and should not be discounted as it is today.
I use Federal hst 125gr in my glock 32 and its rated on there website at 1360fps. Gold dots would be my second choice. I have some Underwood ammo gold dots and they are quality hot loads advertised at 1450fps. They are also much cheaper than BB or Double tap. I think 50 is around 28$. Ive yet to chrono mine so I cant verify the velocity though. Im going to stick with my hst and use the Underwoood ammo for woods carry while hiking and camping.
When I click that link, it shows the 115gr 9mm test.
Here's a very good test video of Speer Gold Dot .357sig 125gr. Dumps a lot of energy into gel!
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Gold dots, Rem GS, Fed HST seem to be great rounds.
If you want speed, I think Underwood has a loading with Gold Dot bullets that is around 1,450 ft/sec from a 4" barrel. A lot of folks really like Underwood. I have never purchased from them so I don't have an opinion either way. I do plan to try their FMJ rounds soon.
Those are the three rounds I believe I'm going to stick with for .357sig.
If Underwood uses the shallow cup 125-grain Gold Dot bullet I will likely buy some as Canyon Man and Glolt both have confirmed this particular .357sig Gold Dot design can be driven very fast and still retain its integrity. The deep cavity 9mm Gold Dot that some boutique ammo companies use are suspect when driven beyond its velocity window. I wish someone could definitively tell me which Gold Dot Underwood uses for its .357sig rounds.
I have not seen them, but when I inquired, I was told they are the 6 petal shallow HP that Speer uses in their 1,375fps LE load.
Well then I can see why people are excited about the Underwood ammo if the velocity numbers are valid. However, the Speer Gold Dot 125-grain round seems to be an optimum performer the way it's designed so I wonder if the Underwood provides any improvement for self-defense.