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Open Carry allowed in Schools with CCW Permit?

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by mgs, Nov 5, 2013.


  1. mgs

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    #1 mgs, Nov 5, 2013
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    Totally legal in MI. Kind of odd. Two laws list schools as pistol free zones. Result? Open carry legal in schools if you have concealed carry permit.

    Old law lists schools as PFZ, except for those with CPL, from when only cops and the connected could get them as MI was may issue.

    Fast forward to new law making Michigan shall issue, schools are again PFZ fur concealed carry. However, CPL holders can possess in schools due to old law, but can't carry concealed due to new law. Thus they can open carry in schools, actually must open carry.

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    This is correct...However, it is extremely rare for a CPL holder to open carry in a school. I know of only one documented case and the guy called the school ahead of time to make sure that they would not call the police. Not worth the hassle!
     
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    Many have OC'ed in a school.
     
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    Did I forget to say too much of a hassle for a "normal" person...:supergrin:
     
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    I think OC is still relatively rare in MI, and many are reluctant to cause a scene if someone spots the gun and freaks out at the school thinking the worst.

    Probably many have OC'd in school out of the OC community in areas that are not anti gun. Varies widely by location.

    FYI, State police have issued a legal update confirming it is legal to local LE, having a copy handy would not hurt if anyone is thinking about trying it.

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    just because you can
    does not mean you should
     
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    Ding!...Ding!...Ding! We have a winner! Discussion over.
     
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    Might prove to provide a few interesting threads here if it became more common.
     
  10. OldSchool64

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    About a year ago the governor of Michigan had a bill on his desk that he was apparent ready to sign.

    That bill would have reduced the restrictions of concealed carry and, if I remember correctly, would have allowed concealed carry in schools.

    Then guess what happened? Yep, Sandy Hook, and ironically the governor said the timing wasn't right to sign the bill into law.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, and provide more details if ya can.
     
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    nope. you summed it up. as much as i dont like snyder, i can see the reasoning on why he didnt sign it, considering the sandy hook incident at the same time.. the media would have "murdered" him...
     
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    I thought that guns in public schools was against Federal law.
     
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    Agree.


    Just look at what happened at Starbucks.....:whistling:
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Know what ya mean, I'm sure not impressed with Snyder either.

    I say it's ironic that he didn't sign the bill 'cause, in my eyes, it would make schools safer.
     
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    People need to learn that it's not the person with the holstered gun you have to worry about, it's the guy with the un-holstered gun you have to worry about. And the more holstered guns there are, the less likely there will be an un-holstered gun.
     
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    I think it's important to remember that even under the "old law", concealed weapon "permits" were issued by county gun boards, and permits were issued in three categories:
    1. Hunting & Target
    2. Home, bank & business
    3. General

    Hunting & Target permits basically only allowed transport of an unloaded, cased firearm to a gun range, gun shop or to go hunting, and the ability to have the pistol concealed when in the field and the carrier had a valid hunting license.

    Home, Bank & Business is self explanatory.
    From your home to your business and to your bank and if IIRC security guards.

    General permits were basically only issued to retired LEO's, or to those with connections or friends in "high places".
    Each county gun board had total say in who got these permits and the restrictions they chose to include on the permit.
     
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    That's right - shoot the SOB.
     
  19. JuneyBooney

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    I agree and if there is not a class that they know about it would be a good way to get shot by pd if they don't know why you are there. :dunno:
     
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    You're right although I don't think he would have signed it regardless of Sandy Hook. Looking at the fact he does not want to reduce the number of "pistol free zones" without giving localities the right to regulate firearms, tells me he wasn't going to sign the bill.