Long story short. Winchester 9mm Luger Subsonic 147gr Jacketed-Controlled Expansion (FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT USE ONLY NOT FOR RETAIL SALE) Q4217. From what I've read on the net this is old stuff. This guy Chuck Hawk is even saying it's dangerous. Since buying this stuff I've learned more about guns and ammo and now carry Golden Sabers 124gr +P in my G19, they were sold out of Gold Dot. Is this ammo really as crappy and as dangerous as good ole Chuck says? Now it is time to impart some crucial information: NEVER use 147 grain ammo in a 9mm pistol! There was a stupid fad for 147 grain hollowpoints a few years ago, and many were suckered into buying these weak, worthless and malfunction-prone rounds. I don't care what you've heard: never use any 9mm hollowpoint heavier than 125 grains. 147 grain hollowpoints often jam in many popular 9mm guns like the Browning Hi-Power, SIG, Beretta 92, S&W and Glock. Ignore the gun magazine hype and stick to what works. If you want to gamble, go to Reno. Don't gamble with your life. 147 grain ammo sucks. http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm Wanna kill these ads? We can help!