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Old G17 Serial AHXXX...Pencil bbl?

Discussion in 'Glock Collector's Club' started by HolvikArms, Mar 8, 2012.

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  1. HolvikArms

    HolvikArms

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    Hey folks, I'm new to this site. Was wondering if I could tap into some of your expertise as the gentleman at glock said this is the place to go.

    I recently bought out a gun collection from a friend's dad who developed Alzheimer's. In the collection I came out with an early G17 serial prefix AH and Austrian proof marks. I was able to determine that the pistol was one of the 2nd thousand imported into the country but i wasn't sure if it had the original "pencil" bbl and weather or not it had the "safety" update in the ninety's. Any advice on determining this?
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  2. glockarmor

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  3. MakeMineA10mm

    MakeMineA10mm * * * * Millennium Member Lifetime Member

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    The pencil barrel is obvious when you have a later-model Glock 9mm sitting side-by-side with the pencil barrel. I don't have one to measure, but someone will probably come along soon with both a picture and a measurement for you.

    As far as the trigger-parts upgrade, that one is easy: With the slide removed, look down into the frame. Look at the trigger bar that comes back from the trigger to the rear of the frame and bends over into a cruciform shape. That bar will be black/phosphate finish on the original trigger parts. If it has had the upgrade, they will be hard-chromed.
     
  4. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    Nice score.

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  5. lohman

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    Congrats, that would be a keep in my collection. I have an AU (first 9K) imported, original parts (no safety parts added). You keeping it or selling it?

    The easiest way to tell if it is a pencil (thinner walled) barrel, take a photo looking directly at the handgun, thinner barrel and more space between the barrel and slide means you have a pencil barrel.
     
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  6. patcrad

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    Picture shows what makeminea10 was describing (pencil on the left):
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    and this photo shows original gen 1 trigger bar in black/top:
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    photos are from Butch (I believe).
     
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  7. Mike Bell

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    were the gold-ish colored ones before or after the balck bars?
     
  8. patcrad

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    Black was the original parts for originl gen 1's. Bottom bar was the "upgrade", or came after the original gen 1 parts.
     
  9. MakeMineA10mm

    MakeMineA10mm * * * * Millennium Member Lifetime Member

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    gold-ish was a finish variation way after the Gen-1 upgrade/recall, although I suppose if you dug out an old Gen-1 that didn't get upgraded yet, at the time the gold bars were out, that variation of bar could have been used for the upgrade...
     
  10. HolvikArms

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    Thanks for all the info guys. It turns out it is a pencil bbl and all original parts (no upgrades). The sticker on the box matches the gun, although, there is no lid or paperwork. Other then the rear sight being a bit dinged it's in really good shape.

    @ Lohman: I would consider selling it. I'm a shooter by nature and a collector by accident. I have enough pieces in my safe I'm not supposed to shoot and it drives me nuts(notice the poly tech legend in my avatar that I shouldn't be shooting):shame:. If you know anyone who may be interested send them my way.
     
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  11. I have a matching lid i will sell you if need be, pm me or let me know.

    Ben
     
  12. Butch

    Butch RetiredDinosaur Millennium Member CLM

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    Sorry guys, the gold trigger bars were original, pre-upgrade equipment.

    Here's an unaltered (and possibly unfired) Gen1, prefix AP with a gold trigger bar:
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    The old trigger bars had the flat top on the upper extension, and....there were early upgrade trigger bars that were the darker in color....as in 'not plated'!
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    HolvikArms, does the AH gun have a gold colored trigger bar?
     
  13. patcrad

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    Hey Butch,

    Check the firing pin on that model with the gold bar. A sure sign that it did have the upgrade would be the new firing pin, extractor, and the spring loaded bearing.
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  14. Butch

    Butch RetiredDinosaur Millennium Member CLM

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  16. jeepwjbob

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    Great info here. Just stripped my gen 1 do to this thread. It's a bc0xx and all original
     
  17. patcrad

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    I finally received the Glock (AHxxx) pictured in the start of this post. Upon the first inspection and detail strip I found it did have the original internals. However, they are what appears to be the earliest version I have seen yet. My first thoughts were that this trigger bar was a cheap after-market version, until I went and got my other, all original AH prefix Gen 1 out of the safe and compared the trigger bars, they are the same. Anyone seen this version before? The FIRING PIN SAFETY also has some very unusual markings.

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  18. Butch

    Butch RetiredDinosaur Millennium Member CLM

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    What's a 'trigger safety plunger'?

    I'm guessing you speak of the upper extension (or some call it a 'cam')? It's that part of the trigger bar that pushes the firing pin safety up to disengage it so the firing pin can move forward to fire the gun.

    The 'trigger safety' being the little lever in the trigger, and some people call the firing pin safety a 'plunger', but it's just the 'firing pin safety'.

    What are the unusual markings?
     
  19. patcrad

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    Ok, I attribute this to having too many beers when posting and having the trigger bar on the brain. Yes, the "firing pin safety" is the correct term and the part I am referring to as having strange manufacturing marks. It has a distinct spiral mark on the face of the plunger.

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