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Ohio CCW question

Discussion in 'Ohio Glockers' started by 7shooter, Dec 8, 2007.

  1. 7shooter

    7shooter

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    Hi Guys,
    Been awhile since I visited. Have been taking a break from highpower and am getting back into pistols. Anyway, my question concerns getting a CCW with the new regs. I went to apply in July, and of course I found out that the course I took was good for 3 years (I was a week late-I understood it to be 6).
    I took the course right at the time the CCW passed. Once I found out the particulars of the law, I was ticked and never applied for the permit. Also, every place around here posted the "carry not allowed" sign.
    Once the law was "improved", I figured I`d apply, but my certificate is expired-I guess.
    Do I have to take the same initial course again? It was kind of a joke.
    Is there "refresher courses" that aren`t as long or expensive?
    Do I have to start from scratch?
    Thanks for any help,
    7shooter
     
  2. Linda

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    The certificate you were given at your original class was good for 6 years, as long as you applied for your license in the first 3 years. So yes, your certificate is no longer good and you will have to take the 12 hour course over again. Sorry!

    I instruct classes in central Ohio if that's where you're located. Just got done instructing a class 2 hours ago.:faint:
     


  3. Hask12

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    You should have gotten your license the first time and then worked to get the parts of the law that you didn't like, changed. Especially at the beginning when the number of people applying for a license was being watched very closely.
     
  4. 7shooter

    7shooter

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    Linda,
    Thanks for the info, although a bummer. The 12 hour course I took was so basic as to be boring. The most informative part was when the Sheriff came in and explained the law as he understood it. And he didn`t know much.
    BTW, I`m in NW Ohio.

    Hask12,
    Yeah, your proably right. Guess I used plenty of excuses. Leave it to Ohio politicians to screw up something so simple. The worst (to me) was the regs for carrying in a vehicle, the "publicizing permit holders", and the fact that 80% of everywhere around here posted no carry signs.

    Yep, in hindsite, I should have gotten the permit right away and not used it `till the law was "improved".
    Thanks for the help,
    7shooter
     
  5. Ghost361

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    A big portion of the signs were sent out with workmans comp info, minimum working age info, and the minimum wage info. This being said many businesses thought they had to post the signs as they were required to do with the others mentioned above. If you talk to the business owners and inform them they are not required to post the signs I was suprised at how many have taken them down. As far as your class goes. In the near future I am sure they will come up with a refresher type class that will vary slightly from the original class you took. This is already done with police and security so won't be that hard to adapt to CCW holders. Unfortunately it might not make it out until a year after there is a big requirement for it. Many of us are now teaching a more advanced CCW class that still meets the basic requirements but covers a lot more tactics for threat resolution and carry options. As well as more range drills associated with concealed carry. See if you can find a class in your area that is familiar and ask the instructor if it will give you the CCW sign off.
     
  6. Linda

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    Hask is right. As imperfect as the law was/is, I'd rather have the right to legally defend myself than to not.

    Strength in numbers folks! We now have over 104,000 CHL's out there. The higher that number, the higher the clout we have with the Legislature to get things improved.
     
  7. 7shooter

    7shooter

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    Linda,
    You said "I`d rather have the right to legally defend myself than not".
    I have a question, and correct me if I`m wrong;
    Before the CCW, wasn`t it legal to carry concealed for self defense IF you could prove you were in danger, threatened, in fear for your life, etc.?
    (Prove to a judge that is).
    Now, with the CCW, if you didn`t go thru the hoops to get a permit, but are in fear for your life and get caught packing (a women being stalked by an ex for example), you have no defense and will be prosecuted?
    In other words, the only way you can LEGALLY defend yourself now is to have the permit, and no permit means jailtime?
    Did we "kinda " lose a right with the Ohio CCW law?
    Thanks,
    7shooter
     
  8. Hask12

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    You don't have to prove anything now, except that you are a law abiding citizen.
    How is that a step backwards?
    Also I can't imagine an NRA instructor signing off on anything.
     
  9. Linda

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    7shooter: Affirmative defense is what you speak of. You are right in that when HB21 was passed, affirmative defense was inadvertently stripped away by the legislature. Buckeye Firearms has brought that to their attention to their shock and dismay. Affirmative defense could be claimed before if for example you carried large sums of $$$ to the bank. That was still left to the judge's decision whether or not you were quilty of concealed carry or not.

    I know what you meant here, you just worded it slightly wrong. We ALWAYS have the right to defend ourselves. With or without a license. But, we can not use a greater force to defend ourselves than the perceived threat. And, if you are carrying a concealed gun without a license, you know that you are in violation of the law. I believe that is a felony. Get charged with that, you never will legally carry or own a gun.

    I hope he doesn't find an instructor who will just sign him off! :steamed:That would be a violation of the law. I know I certainly would not put my NRA instructors certification and part of my livelyhood on the line for someone who did not go get their CHL in the first 3 years. Over 104,000 did it within 3 years!
     
  10. 7shooter

    7shooter

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    Linda,
    Well, I guess I wasn`t too far off in my understanding of the law. The unacceptable thing to me is that NOW, if someone defends themself with a "concealed firearm" that has not been "permitted by the State", they are screwed-even if it saved their life or someone else. They will be convicted of a felony and their life is ruined....all because of a bill that started out fine, but was ruined because of the State Patrol, Taft, politicians, and other idiots.
    I am 46, lived in this state all my life, have no record (not even a speeding ticket), 30 + years experience with firearms, classified NRA competitor,member of NRA (Endowment), ORPA, GOA, etc. I should be able to carry a firearm anywhere I want anytime I want.
    I know this has probably been hashed out (ad nauseum), but IMO, if you`re a law abiding citizen, you can be armed if you want (2nd Amendment). No State approval, State course, State fee, State permit, etc.
    If you screw up, you`ll do time-their are already plenty of laws/ penalties on the books.
    I`ve done the pro-gun stuff for years ("lobbying" and financially), and really pushed for the original Ohio CCW, but I am still undecided if the present law is worth the trouble. Whew, rant over!
    Thanks,
    7shooter
     
  11. Linda

    Linda

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    I feel your pain while you're preaching to the choir!:crying:
     
  12. Hask12

    Hask12

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    No license requirement would be ideal, unfortunately that's not the way it works, at least not right now. So it's either get your license or don't get it, but stop making excuses for not getting it. Like Linda said, 104,000 have decided this is well worth it and the numbers continue to steadily go up.
    I'm not quite sure what the whole point of this was, since the longer we go on the more obvious it becomes that once again you have no intention of getting your license. Three years have gone by and you still can't make up your mind.
     
  13. firedog978

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    Back when Ohio first became a 'shall issue' state for ccw and I got my license, I debated this very thing with a good friend of mine. He is a true outdoorsman, gun owner, bow owner, deer/turkey hunter and travels each year to hunt in Montana as well. He fishes all over the US and Canada, camps, hikes and knows weapons of all sorts quite well. You can imagine my surprise when he stated that the CC laws of Ohio were too restrictive for him to get a license. He vehemenetly despised the law pertaining to vehicle carry (at that time).
    I could not persuade him to get the license and be patient as the law would change. Change not only with vehicle carry but, also with other silly requirements. He had no interest in the fact that the more ccl's issued gave greater political voice to those of us believing in the entire Constitution. It appeared that this was his personal way of boycotting Ohio's restrictive carry laws. He wouldn't be convinced that having a license, even with those restrictions, was the smarter choice. It still would put a SD weapon in his hand most of the time and that would be better than never.
    Some people (and I respect their earlier decision), are changing their minds now. If you believe in the 2ND Amendment, if you believe your political voice is stronger in numbers, if you believe in being able to carry most of the time; then PLEASE get your license. Even if you do not carry. Even if you still have problems with the restrictions.
     
  14. Linda

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    Great post firedog!

    I instructed a class Saturday. Had a married couple in it, both in their 50's. They were upfront with me in that the main reason they were there was because they had bought a snubbie revolver and wanted to learn about firearm safety.

    At the end of the night, when we were done with the class and everyone was departing, this gentleman and I were talking. He again said, "we probably won't carry". I told him, "go get your license, just in case there is that time that you want to carry, then you can do so. And the higher we get the numbers up, the easier it is for those of us who are trying to change the law, can do so". He said that made sense. He emailed me that night when he got home as he was printing off the application form from the sherriff's website! He got it!!!
     
  15. firedog978

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    Thank you Linda.

    I know you teach classes and do alot of other work for Ohio CCW. It's nice to hear that about the couple. Good job in informing them. Law abiding citizens that believe the right to keep and bear arms is a Constitutional gaurantee (whether they intend to carry or not), need to be licensed to save the 2ND Amendment and preserve our Constitution.


    As I like to say; A driver's license has restrictions too! However, every kid that turns 16 in Ohio wants one on their birthday!
     
  16. Racsan

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    I like that. I hope someday they are lining up at 21 or 18 or 12 to get their CHL also.

    Ronald Reagan - Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
     
  17. 7shooter

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    Hask 12,
    As stated in my first post, I went to get my permit at the Sheriff`s office and found out I was a week late with the 3 year limit, which I mis-understood to be 6 years-or the new law was changed to six years-don`t know.
    I will admit to making some excuses as I thought (still think) the CCW law is lousy, and time sorta flew by.
    Actually, had I done more research back then, I probably wouldn`t have even taken the course -would have just waited.
    I also will admit to getting hung up on principal sometimes.
    Firedog 978,
    That IS a great post.
    Will respectfully add to the the driver`s license restiction point you made though...
    A driver`s license is a privledge, having a firearm is a Right.
    Thanks,
    7shooter
     
  18. glockess56

    glockess56 CLM

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    Just think, there are enough CCW permit holders in Columbus to fill the "Shoe." Maybe there'd be 1000 seats still available, but it would be a great many people. Let's keep those permits coming. I can't believe mine is due for renewal next year, can you believe it's been that long since they passed that law? Wow, how time flies!
     
  19. thorn137

    thorn137 Walther

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    Great idea.

    Unless, of course, you dont want the instructor to be facing legal charges and to have your CCL revoked by the Sheriff who issued it, once it's discovered that the instructor did not make you meet the laws requirements. ;)

    In Ohio - this HAS happened.

    Driving a car was a right, until the Govt made it a privilege.

    thorn
     
  20. Racsan

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    Also remember that still 4 years later, every business day, M-F ~75 more people get licensed in Ohio. This is almost one new license per county per day. Still very high demand for a law "no one wanted".