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Off-Topic :Speed vs Accuracy

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by Allegra, Mar 28, 2009.

  1. Allegra

    Allegra

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    Off topic muna , pwede ba pag usapan tungkol sa shooting dito? hehe
    Ano drills nyo para sa speed at accuracy?
     
  2. edtf

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    hmmm.... dapat ata ikaw ang magsabi niyan kasi yung last time kita nakita pumutok parang full auto yung CZ mo :D
     


  3. JuDGe

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    Off topic din..... Allegra, I sent you a PM
     
  4. Allegra

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    ang tagal na nun fafa , hawig ko pa si piolo nung mga panahon na yun :)

    Anyway , di nako napunta sa range might as well teach it here baka makatulong sa newbies
    Yung mga magagaling na , please skip this thread at bawal kumontra heehee

    Anyway , I often get asked alin uunahin bilis o accuracy?
    Standard answer is accuracy muna
    Pero habang naka upo ako sa cr , naisip ko bakit di pag sabayin

    I got this drill from the BE forum galing yata kay TGO
    25m , 5 shots from draw , dapat all A's
    Nga lang , time limit is 4sec :)

    I'll leave it to the shooter kung paano nya magagawa yan , kasi ang dami info makukuha sa youtube about draws , stance , grip , etc.
    Bahala ka na how yu will put 5 shots sa A zone from the draw in 4 sec.

    Just think about it
    If you can do that , kailangan pa ba itanong kung alin mauna?
    There almost nothing they can throw at you sa mga level 3 na katatakutan mo
    Makukuha mo timing ng baril mo
    At 25m , lalabas lahat ng problema mo sa grip , stance , trigger control , eye focus etc na dapat correct
    The drill will force youto shoot w/ your eyes ng mabilis kasi mahirap chamba sa 25m
    Magandang warmup before a match kasi it will remind you to see what you need to see

    Someone told me , bumagal daw putok nya when he started this drill
    Of course it will sa simula , kasi masasanay ka tumingin sa sights at speed keysa turo ka lang ng turo ng baril sa target ng wala nakikita
    Babalik din yung bilis

    Someone told me bakit instead of 1 target , dapat 3 targets w/ 2 shots each?
    Kasi pag 2 shots each target , pwede chumamba yung second shot
    Impossible chumamba all 5 shots
    Plus I prefer practicing target to target drills dry ( kasi mostly your training your eyes to sight acq ng mabilis )

    Someone told me baka daw bumagal naman siya sa cqb ek ek
    Punyetang mga ratratero yan , ang kukulit haha

    Anyway , if you can do this drill easily pero talunan ka pa rin
    Isa lang ibig sabihin nun...... mahina dibdib hehehe

    Anyone dito sa BOGs who can do it sa first try?
     
  5. atmarcella

    atmarcella

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    overwatch....
    nagawa ko na yan.......



    kaso lang nagising ako:rofl::tongueout::wavey:
     
  6. Allegra

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    Give yourself a month and shoot nothing else
     
  7. edtf

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    sabi ko nga ba eh - si obi wan kanobi ka!!!! Wala atang range malapit dito na meron 25m :D

    Seriously thanks for your insights. Nagtuturo ka na ba ngayon?
     
  8. Allegra

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    hehe yes , ala chris carmichael
    Online coaching :) naks
    Joke lang

    Nagturo dati, gumaling naman siya
    Nagturo din sa mga kaibigan , ang titigas ng ulo kaya tinamad nako
    Anyway , I'l be away from shooting ng matagal kaya might as well post nalang sa BOGs
     
  9. ahtsay

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    Problema ko ngayon sa utak...for the past 2 months, I've been shooting a lot of whites (No Shoots). Sa tagaytay may 2 targets covered with 2 NS, mga 20 meters. I shot 2 shots each, then verified na isa lang tumama....nagisip muna ako kung uulitan ko...by the time I made up my mind, mga 5 seconds na ata lumipas! :crying:
    Are there any drills to help me get out of this mental slump? :supergrin: E kung lagyan ng NS sa harap ng 25m target? hehe!!
    Allegra, this has been one of the better topics of late, salamat sa pag tulong mo sa aming mga mortal:supergrin:
     
  10. Allegra

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    No need to put no shoots sa 25 m fafa
    Distraction/panakot lang naman yung no shoots
    Shooting A's ng 25m at a short time forces you to look at your sights and push your trigger control to the limits
    Kungbaliwala na sayo tumama sa alpha everytime , kahit palibutan mo pa ng no shoots yung target at 25m , Alpha ng alpha yan
    I think your aiming at the whole target kasi , kaya kalat ang tama mo
    Or mentally natakot ka dun sa mga no shoots kaya na apektuhan ang trigger control mo ( subukan mo rin mag yabang , it helps :))

    Either way , doing this drill will solve most problems pati sa bakal
    kung ako'y nagtitipid at I have 30rnds a week to practice lang
    Puro ito lang ang gagawin ko
    Everything else , movement , target to target , shoot on the move , mag changes , take off at shooting papasok sa port etc can be practiced dry
    Kung ako nagtitipid :) w/c is most of the time

    Di ko naman sinabi , you have to do this in one practice
    25m , 5 shots all A's from the draw ang goal
    Skill at confidence builder
    If you can do that everytime , lahat na dadali
    Shooting on the move , bakal , swingers konting practice lang madali na gawin
    Kasi sanay ka na pumutok gamit mata , at ganda na ng trigger control
     
  11. Allegra

    Allegra

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    teka pala , you verified na isa lang tumama?
    Palibasa malabo mata ko , I dont verify kung tumama
    As long as I ddint see the sights lift off the target di nako nag iisip, automatic pinuputukan ko na agad
    O basta may duda ako , di tumama , automatic putok agad
    At least additional .20 to half second lang nadagdag kesa sa 5 sec mo pag verify
    Problema lang sa swingers , kasi aantayin mo pa bumalik yung target
    Jan mejo sugal hehe
     
  12. ahtsay

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    ya, medyo nasisindak/kinakabahan ako sa NS. This was not a problem at all before, parang bigla nalang dumating. Noon I don't even notice the NS, I just look for the Alpha and release the shot. It feels like that Kevin Costner movie Tin Cup, just like that, bigla nalang siya nag sh-shank. Ako naman, after hitting NS a few times the past few weeks, bigla nalang akong kinakabahan sa kanila:crying:. It's all in my mind....

    It was an easy stage...3 boards sa kaliwa, 3 boards sa kanan, then 2 boards w/ NS. Pag dating doon sa 2 boards, instead of just shooting the static, I was avoiding the NS.

    I had 2 horrible mental mistakes. Nag verify ako tapos hinde ako maka decide kung puputukan ko ulet o hinde na (I was the second shooter for the day, kaya malinis pa yung board, kitang kita na iisa lang butas hehe). The sight picture was acceptable, it was the trigger pull that went wrong. Parang pag pindot ko sa trigger, I was pulling the gun away from the NS. It felt like my knees became weak pag dating doon sa targets, parang natakot to screw it up. I did well with the first 6 targets, pag dating sa last 2 with NS, my brain said "o-o, ingatan mo, may No-SHoot yan!" which is also the same as saying "patay na!" hahaha!!. Ang masama nun, nilabas ko na nga magazine ko eh...tapos nag reload ulet ako to re-engage. Hinde ko alam, I think I'm getting senile.

    The funny thing was after that stage, I decided to just go for it. Just aim at the Alpha and let the shot go. Sinubukan ko yung "yabang", told myself I'm good and accurate, and to stop thinking. Guess what happened? Nag NS-Mike naman ako sa susunod na stage. The target was maybe just 8m away. Pak talaga! :steamed:

    Another funny thing was that after back to back horrible stages, I started to shoot well. Kasi I gave up trying and just went back to shooting. Sa isip ko the match was over for me, super bagsak nako sa standing. Parang nawala bigla yung kaba ko, I relaxed more and shot I like I didn't care, surprisingly mas gumanda putok ko. Sayang lang nga I screwed up in the long stages, and did well in the shorter stages so hinde nako naka habol. :supergrin:

    Allegra how do you tone down your brain? My best shooting was when I wasn't thinking, I was using "the force", pero I can't seem to summon "the force" at will. Minsan minsan lang dumadating, when you least expect it. Ingay ingay ng brain ko, lalo na pag big match.
     
  13. Allegra

    Allegra

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    Tone down the brain? yung ang ingay ng utak , dami pumapasok na instruction sabay sabay?
    Kung mahilig ka magbasa , get yung Inner Game of golf , Tim Gallway

    Meron daw tayong Self 1 at self 2
    Yung Self 1 ,maingay , mahilig mag utos , mamintas , at manggulo ang tawag ko dun si Apollo
    Yung Self 2 , tahimik lang yan , kaso sya yung puputok ng baril. Tawagin natin syang Noriel

    Pag sumigaw si Apollo ng - Wag kang paboklog boklog dre , para yan lang sasala ka pa...#$%^@#$%^&!! Alpha lang! ang boklog mo talaga !
    Natural , maguguluhan naman si Self 2 (Noriel ) , at sasagwa ang putok mo.

    You have to understand that self 1 , boses lang yan , hindi makatulong sa putok mo
    Daming inuutos sayo.
    You dont need instructions , alam mo nanaman ang kailangan gawin para tumama sa target
    Tell Apollo to STFU :)
    Blanko dapat utak , ng di malito katawan



    * Characters in this post are fictional. Any similarities with actual persons are a coincidence.
     
  14. jasonub

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    i had a total of 9 mikes and a no shoot when i counted yesterday hahahahha!!!

    it was the worst shooting i did for this year
     
  15. ans3288

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    great tips from allegra, but i think its bec. madami na sobra inaasikaso si ahtsay kaya distracted sa shooting, think of what is different now and a few months back! hehe, i think stressed out ka sobra sa work kaya ganyan, hehe.

     
  16. JuDGe

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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
  17. Allegra

    Allegra

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    Namaligno hehe

    Talagang may araw na malas

    Kahit sa bisikleta , di pako nakaka layo ng bahay sunod sunod semplang ko
    Umuuwi nalang ako , at baka kung ano pa mangyari
     
  18. atmarcella

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    overwatch....
    ot,

    me namatay sa bisikleta taga abs-cbn.
     
  19. itch

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    yes atmarcella, si Epoy Molina.