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Off-duty officer thwarts robbery, shoots 4 suspects

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Ajon412, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. :wow:.....Great job by the off duty.........I guess they picked the wrong victim...

    ...Outstanding work......

    ....Too bad for the BG's / It sucks to be them...
  2. Deployment Solu

    Deployment Solu Kydex Crafter

    Jul 18, 2007

  3. KiloBravo

    KiloBravo Lifetime Newb

    Excellent shooting by the officer, but this is a prime example of why I think one should always carry 24/7. It could have went the other way had he not been able to bring a gun into play somehow. He should have had one on his person, IMHO.
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2011
  4. collim1

    collim1 Shower Time!

    Mar 14, 2005
    I was thinking the other day, and honestly out of our 120 man dept I estimate about 10% carry a firearm period off-duty. Half of those carry a pocket pistol at best, Ruger LCP or jframe.

    I think a LEO should carry a real handgun and a reload 24/7, I know I do.

    Oh, and great job on the officers part, that is very impressive. I'd like to share a beat with that guy for a night.
  5. I agree 100%. He should buy a lottery ticket because he was pretty lucky going 4 vs 2 and none of the good guys got hurt. Good on him!
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2011
  6. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

    Apr 30, 2005
    My thoughts and practice exactly, When I was a rookie I flirted with snubbies as primary off duty carry until one day I decided if tomorrow was the day I had to defend my life off duty I'd rather be doing it with a full size gun with extra reloads. From then on my off duty carry was what I carried on duty. ( Snub as a BUG off duty as well as on duty.)
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2011
  7. DWARREN123

    DWARREN123 Grumpy Old Guy

    Jan 25, 2008
    Clarksville, Tn.
    Don't be a thug and you will not get a dirt nap.
  8. DaBigBR

    DaBigBR No Infidels!

    Oct 28, 2005
    Circling the wagons.
    Remember the first rule of gunfighting:

  9. RetailNinja


    Jan 31, 2007
    I'm surprised to see that Chief Epperson is still in. I heard very bad things a long time back.

    Props to Winnebago Co! Trained at PTI!
  10. nitesite10mm

    nitesite10mm Dog Lover

    Jun 9, 2006
    North Alabama
    That off-duty cop was good no doubt. And tough. And lucky his friend had a sidearm the LEO could employ after a struggle over it. I hope the other three perps, as a result of their "life threatening wounds", have it as rough and brutally painful and horribly crippling as possible. I also pray that the justice system brings its full weight of special enhancements reigning down upon them. If they even survive.

    Good shoot, Officer.

    Nay, GREAT JOB, Officer.

    Next time carry your own friggin gun, though.... (jes sayin)
  11. I agree 100 % with the "Always carry off duty" philosophy, but it was never mentioned or referenced if the OD was armed or not. Maybe he was, not sure and I don't want to read too much into the article. The perp might just have been "that close" (bad breath distance) and it was easier to try to gain control of the BG's weapon then to utilize his own, or he just "reacted" based on his training and/or experience. Either way, it turned out well for the good guys and "not so good" for the perps....:supergrin:
  12. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

    Apr 30, 2005
    I am betting if the officer in question was not carrying Off duty before, he is now.

    Nothing like having an "Oh ****!!! moment to clarify ones perspective.
  13. strummer


    Nov 21, 2004

    I don't know any more details that what has been published in the media...but word around here is that this guy's agency forbids off-duty carry.

    If he was carrying...he could be looking at some sort of trick-bag.
  14. BailRecoveryAgent

    BailRecoveryAgent Rude Member

    Aug 2, 2010
    What kind of numb nuts dick bag agency would forbid their officers from carrying off duty??? Then again, it is Illinois.:upeyes:

    I'm glad it worked out the way it did. If indeed the agency forbids off duty carry, hopefully this incident will make them change that policy.
  15. Maybe this incident will change their minds......"EF" department policy, if that's the case..:steamed:..I'd rather violate policy and be alive after WINNING AN ARMED CONFRONTATION WITH FOUR PERPS then to "take a chance", follow policy and become a victim-officer....This OD copper had luck and/or training on his side. I wouldn't bet on it for the next time, but that's just me.....
  16. IndyGunFreak


    Jan 26, 2001
    Well, it is Illinois... :upeyes: If they truly don't want their Off Duty LEO's carrying a firearm, then someone needs their butt kicked while off duty cops watch.

    People talk about the crazy gun laws in California... on paper, Illinois has always looked worse to me.. but I wouldn't want to live in either.

    Glad the Officer is ok.

  17. RVER


    Aug 3, 2004
  18. BailRecoveryAgent

    BailRecoveryAgent Rude Member

    Aug 2, 2010
    Yeah, Kalifornia at least has a carry permit system, whether they issue them or not is another story. The weather is nicer in Kalifornia too.

    As far as cops not carrying off duty, I texted a family member and asked him how many of his co workers carry off duty, and he said he'd be surprised if 10% of them do. He said most of them don't even own personal carry guns and that many of them believe "this is a safe city" and the odds of needing a gun off duty is so minimal that it isn't worth the hassle of carrying.

    I wonder across the board what the percentage of cops don't carry off duty?
  19. To the first point, let me just say...:steamed:..:steamed:..:steamed:

    These must be the same coppers who work "inside". Any road / patrol copper and /or corrections officer with half a brain and who deals with the dregs of society / bottom feeders and "victims" of crimes on a daily, heck even on a weekly basis can't really believe that "any" city is safe. No such place exists, although there are Cities that may be safer than others.....

    I'm afraid your family members assessment of the 10% who carry OD may be accurate...THAT, is unfortunate.....:dunno:
  20. Great shooting. I would give this guy free Pizza for life!!! And I would have a cardboard stand up made of him pointing a finger at everyone who came into the business!!

    If the agency does not allow their officers to carry off duty that could be very bad and dangerous for the officer and his family. As someone said, I would carry anyway.

    In L.A. I carried two and sometimes three guns on duty and one or two off duty and practiced allot. But that was the city of the damned so it's a little different. :supergrin: