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obama: f&f was bush's fault

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Tim151515, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. Tim151515

    Tim151515 iHeartGuns

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  2. Eurodriver

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    "Falsely claims"

    Isn't that "a lie"?
     

  3. Averageman

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    Boy do I hope this comes out in the debate.
    It's hard for me to understand how after Fast and Furious Hispanic people anywhere would vote for Obama.
    Essentially The BATFE pretty much through complete lack of adult supervision allowed those guns to go to the cartels. How many Mexican Citizens were killed with them, we will probobly never know.
    Obama, Holder and the Leadership of the Arizona BATFE who let those guns get away all have blood on their hands.
    The blame it on Bush excuse is getting a little old by now.
     
  4. c6601a

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    So you are all for re-writing history? It is well documented that the program was conceived and started while Bush was in office. The mid level people who came up with it and ran it were career employees and continued their activities despite the change in administration.

    If you believe Obama is responsible because he was at the top and did not stop it, then you have to assign equal blame to Bush because he was at the top when the ball got rolling. I personally do not blame either.
     
  5. raven11

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    Four years later and still blaming Bush, g-d forbid he gets another four years he will still be blaming Bush
     
  6. rick458

    rick458 USS Texas BB-35

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    Wide Receiver used RIFF tagged weapons that WERE tracked.
    Fast and Furious just Forced FFLs to sell to people they knew or suspected of straw purchasing (kind of like the banks and too good to be true mortgages)
     
  7. Zombie Surgeon

    Zombie Surgeon MODELATOR

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    Fast and Furious started under the Obama administration in 2009, two years after the Bush administration terminated operation Wide Receiver in 2007.
     
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  8. Averageman

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    I suggest you look a little closer at this.
    You're wrong.
    Wide Reciever and Fast and Furious were nothing alike. All controls and ability to track those weapons were gone.
     
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  10. Averageman

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    Perhaps then he isn't the Man for the job?
    It's not too late to pull a Lyndon Johnson and walk away with a bit of dignity.
    Throughout history each President has been left issues that the prior administration mishandled or did not complete. I have yet to see One pass the blame more often or on as many issues as President Obama.
    It's comming on Four years, it's time to dust off Harry Trumans "The Buck Stops Here" or he needs to move on, I'm sure there is a position for him somewhere; if not he has plenty of unemployment benefits available.
     
  11. Zombie Surgeon

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    For the 1,000,000 time:
    -Bush terminated W.R. in 2007 due to the fact some 30 guns were accidentally lost because of malfunctioning tracking devices.
    -Obama started F&F in 2009 and allowed its continuation even after 2000 guns were "walked" into Mexico without any attempts made to track them.

    Two different operations, two different tactics, two years between the time the first one was ended by Bush and the second one was started by Obama.

    The ease with which the liberals like c6601a and Flipper348 can tell lies never ceases to amaze me.
     
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  12. wrenrj1

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    Why isn't Romney using this stuff? Seems like stuff like this is shoveled to them, yet they don't go after Obama on his comments and what I'll call outright lies.
     
  13. Jager1

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    He is responsible. As is Holder.

    Looks like you got your clock cleaned in this thread - and won't be back.

    Liberals and facts do not mix.
     
  14. Averageman

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    Debates are comming up.
    With this and his failed economic and foreign policies it is all defence all night long if Mitt plays hardball.
    A Regan moment would be, "There you go again Barrack, LOL, passing the blame to someone else." or "Will you use the same excuse after 8 failed years have passed Mr. President?"
     
  15. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

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    I keep asking this question but the truth squadders don't answer. At what point will Obama start to take any responsibility for the things happening in the country he is supposed to be in charge of?

    I bet I can guess. Never.
     
  16. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

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    When the truth doesn't work, what else do you have left?
     
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  17. wjv

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    And you fail in reading comprehension 101. . .

    Wide Receiver was TERMINATED by the Bush administration years before F&F was STARTED by the Obama Administration. .
     
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  18. series1811

    series1811 Enforcerator. CLM

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    I guess this is the kind of thing you have to tell yourself over and over again to support O-Nothing.

    Interesting.
     
  19. Slug71

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    Well said.
     
  20. G36's Rule

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    Facts, meaningless facts.