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NY SAFE Act and Out of State LEO's

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Yankee2718, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. Yankee2718

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    Last year I called the NYSP and the CRAP Act FAQ hotline and was told that the 7 round magazine restriction would not apply to me carrying under LEOSA in NY. However, being a smart man I tend to not believe this since I will not be on official business.

    With the recent federal court case in WNY, will I be code 4 carrying a 10 round magazine in NY? Does anyone have a number or information site they can point me to?

    I typically carry an M&P40 or Glock 23. I am a full time sworn peace officer.

    I was planning on buying an M&P45c for the trip. :Smiley:
     
  2. SKELVIS

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    To play it safe I would just do the 7 + 1.Hopefully they will make a changes to the LEOSA in regards to mags soon.
     


  3. nohocop

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    LEOSA does not apply to magazine restrictions. Read the statute. If you violate State law on magazine capacity, you are in violation. Wish that weren't the case but it is what it is. LEOSA needs to be amended (yet again) to fix that problem.
     
  4. Ducowti

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    A NY judge recently ruled the 7rd max was NFG and allowed 10rds. Doesn't mean that is practiced yet, but I don't know anyone to jam you up over it regardless.


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  5. tom mac

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    True... Judge in Western Dist Ct overruled the 7 round.... BUT ada's/bigwigs in other Districts say its good only for there.
    St Police have mentioned they're not going to enforce 7 rounds, but I for one do 7+1 till its more solid for all.

    Just carry another clip! :)
     
  6. fastbolt

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    Well, since it's apparently a trip for personal pleasure, using the principle of "predictable is preventable", don't you have a small revolver or 6/7+1 capacity pistol which would allow you to avoid any potential issues?

    Only takes one wrong place/wrong time encounter while traveling out-of-state to potentially create unwanted complications that could affect your regular life and job, right?

    While there's no way I'd ever be driving to the East Coast/NY, if I were to do so, I'd simply take one of the same 5-shot snubs or 6-rd mag capacity pistols that I already use for LEOSA weapons when driving.
     
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  7. I gave up im from NY moved to PA because NY taxes and stupid laws/regulations. I still travel back "home" a lot I gave up taking my SR9c(10 rounds) and just started carrying my Snubby 5 shot revolver instead...I went to the Police Academy in NYS was a Cop there for 3 years and still talk to a lot of the guys I graduated the academy with and local(home town) LE guys..I wont carry the 10 rounds because even among them they cant come to a clear consensus of whats actually right and wrong...some thought it has to be 7 or less others said for LE HiCap mags were fine...so instead of taking the luck of the draw if I ever got stopped in NYS I just said to heck with it and carry the snubby now.
     
  8. Yankee2718

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    I have family there. I don't own any 7 round pistols.

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  9. unit 900

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    I will be heading to NYC soon as a retiree carrying under LEOSA. Is an 8 round mag OK if loaded with 7 rounds? The smallest semi I own is a S&W 3953 with an 8 round magazine.
     
  10. Which is why even if all your previous experiences and trainings are only with semi-autos, when you retire consider qualifying with a revolver also.

    Choice is always good.
     
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  11. Yankee2718

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    I can't decide on a shield or M&P45.

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  12. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

    Pretty soon they will be selling 7 round mags for semi's like how they all sell the 10 round mags for CA and other states.
     
  13. tom mac

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    Yes... good to go, 7 in mag, 1 in pipe...
    You can also use a 10 round mag with 7 + 1.

    I run a 10 round mag when I travel as some states have also changed over to only 10rd mags... still leave 7 + 1 and carry a second clip.
     
  14. fastbolt

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    Yep. They can be handy, indeed.

    I've been seeing more J-frames appearing in the hands of folks that are already retired, and getting ready to retire. There's something to be said for the folks who learned to shoot with revolvers. ;)

    Yankee, as much as I like my M&P 45, and have thought about picking up a compact version, I really like the thin, light & accurate Shield's. The fact that the Shield is available with 7-rd mags in both 9 & .40 ought to make either a good choice.

    As much as I like my 3913 & CS9, the little Shield 9 feels slimmer in the hand, and it was really easy to run hard & fast when I put one through some demanding range drills using duty loads (124gr +P). I imagine it would be even easier loaded with standard pressure 147gr JHP's.

    The Shield 40 was surprisingly controllable, though, using the 180gr duty loads. It felt a bit better balanced and more controllable than my G27 and M&P 40c, which surprised me.
     
  15. Yankee2718

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    The shield 40 recoil is comparable to the g27? I run neatly all my guns in 40 and was thinking about a shield 9.

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  16. steveksux

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    They ought to just sell -3 base plates/followers for 10 round mags...

    Actually the NY legislators should go to the Wizard and ask for brains.

    They should just rewrite LEOSA generically to cover all local firearms laws instead of trying to cover every wrinkle and variation.

    LEOSA 2014: "All your gun laws are belong to us" and be done with it. The intent is clear, NY should get a clue.

    Randy

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  17. tom mac

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    get brains yes, but don't give them other ideas! :)
     
  18. steveksux

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    Better give them instructions too, otherwise they'll just eat the brains... Lol

    Randy

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  19. Gombey

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    We need to find the idea fairy...and destroy her!
     
  20. fastbolt

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    You should try to find examples of the Shield in both 9 & .40 to try.

    I was expecting the Shield 40 to have more felt recoil and muzzle whip that it did. It surprised me.

    The Shield 9 feels a bit more controllable in my hand than my CS9, and perhaps my 3913.

    The thinness of the Shield grip frame and backstrap feels a bit odd just holding the gun, but during live-fire it's surprisingly controllable. If I were replacing my 3913, a Shield 9 is what I'd chose.

    Owning a G27, M&P 40c, 4040PD, 4013TSW and a standard size SW9940, the little Shield 40 felt better in my hand, during live-fire, than my 4040, 40c & G27. Weird.

    If the Shield 40 had been out when I bought my 40c, I'd have bought the Shield 40, instead.

    Try them and see if either suits your own skillset & preference.