Was recently looking at a 3rd Gen 22 and 23 at the LGS, for a reasonable price. I ask for opinions (mostly for fun), and got two. :crying: Went back today to pick up the 22, and the person behind the counter just had to ask if I'd rather have a Gen 4. Seems she had one a customer traded in, and for $465 she'd let me take it home. I know you guys should have warned me off, but since you didn't, I find myself strapped with a terrible Gen 4 that is bound to throw brass at me, FTF, FTE, and will probably talk bad about me when my back's turned. :whistling: So, tomorrow I'll have to take it to the range to suffer its abuse. Wish me luck. :supergrin: In all seriousness, this thing feels great. Can't wait to punch holes in some paper. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!