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Discussion in 'Carolina Glockers' started by carolinajohn63, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. carolinajohn63

    carolinajohn63 Griff

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    Are the ABC stores in North Carolina considered a "State" facility that prohibits CHL?

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    John
     
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    unless posted, they are fair game.
     

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    Thx-1138 NRA Member

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    Tough to answer definitively.

    § 14‑269.4. Weapons on State property and in courthouses. deals with specific prohibited state buildings and grounds.

    But, § 14‑415.11. Permit to carry concealed handgun; scope of permit., sub-paragraph (c), prohibits concealed carry in buildings or offices of the State or Federal government. Which would mean you could theoretically open-carry there.


    ABC Stores are run by the local board, not by the state commission. But... to further confuse the issue, § 18B‑101. Definitions., paragraph (8), defines a "Local Board" as an independent local political subdivision of the State.

    So, the question becomes... is an ABC Store an office of the local commission? Does it qualify as an office of the State government?

    If so, you couldn't conceal carry. But, I think you could open carry.


    Personally, I don't want to be the test case to find out the hard way.
     
  4. carolinajohn63

    carolinajohn63 Griff

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    That's what makes it so hard here in Carolina. The laws are so abiguious that it as though they can get you smacked one way or another.
     
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    carolinajohn63 Griff

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    In the same light... I am assuming I cannot carry in a State park here like Fort Fisher State Park, but I am permitted to carry in the city owned parks???

    Thanks...
     
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    All the ABC stores around here are posted.'08.
     
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    carolinajohn63 Griff

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    The local ABC's here are not posted.....
     
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    Now you have me confused..I am fairly certain that we can not carry in any parks, city, state or national (although the national rule is changing right now).

    If anyone knows the definite answer to this question, please post it.
     
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    carolinajohn63 Griff

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    Public parks (city owned) are not listed in the "NO CARRY" zones. State parks are specifically mentioned. From what I can tell, the city can post no carry signs, but unless posted, one may carry concealed.
     
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    Concord ABC is posted
     
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    You may not carry in ABC stores.

    It is a State owned/run entity.
     
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    carolinajohn63 Griff

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    It is not exactly a State Owned facility.....
    From their site:
    "North Carolina is one of 19 control states and a member of the National Alcohol Beverage Control Association . As an agency under the Department of Commerce, it is our overall objective to provide uniform control over the sale, purchase, transportation, manufacture, consumption and possession of alcoholic beverages in the state."
     
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    But is a store front an office?

    It's relatively murky waters, and I don't want to be the test case.
     
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    kirgi08 Watcher. Silver Member

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    That's why I won't carry at all in an ABC store,not even a knife.We have ALE agents that are nazis' and I'd rather not give them a shot at me.'08.
     
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    We seem to have so many restrictions on when a law abiding carrier must remove their firearm from their person and leave it in the car. Why can't the law makers see the fact that these restrictions actually leave a firearm where either a non-law abiding citizen or someone who is untrained in the use of a firearm can steal it either inadvertantly or not. The more times we leave them in our cars whether it be restaurants or whatever, the higher the probability that it may happen. If I could choose, I would rather have more intensive requisite training and less restrictions that the state required minimums and all this bs to deal with.
     
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    Logic and common sense have nothing at all in common with politicians.20 yrs ago you could walk inta the SO while wearing your pistol/open carry.I don't think NC had a CCW law back then.'08.
     
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    When I can't carry a firearm, I always keep a small can of OC spray, and an ordinary pocket knife carried in a closed position. By "ordinary pocket knife", I mean a small knife, designed for carrying in a pocket or purse, that has its cutting edge and point entirely enclosed by its handle, and that may not be opened by a throwing, explosive, or spring action.

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    A Spyderco Endura meets that description, right? :whistling:
     
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    Emerson Commander w/wave.'08.
     
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    All North Carolina ABC stores are State Owned. You can not carrythere.