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No Refusal DWI Checkpoints

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Random, Dec 28, 2012.

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  1. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    [dih-tur] verb (used with object), de·terred, de·ter·ring.
    1. to discourage or restrain from acting or proceeding:

    [ri-peet]verb (used with object) do, make, or perform again:

    Ever thought of writing your own dictionary since you seem to have a different definition of English language words than the rest of English speaking world uses? I am sure with your expertise in the field of English, it would be instantly accepted by the academic world.
  2. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM


    noun \di-ˈtər-ən(t)s, -ˈter-; -ˈtə-rən(t)s, -ˈte-; dē-\
    : the act or process of deterring: as
    a : the inhibition of criminal behavior by fear especially of punishment
    b : the maintenance of military power for the purpose of discouraging attack

    Have done it, continue to do it. :tbo:

  3. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    I am going to go way out on a limb here and guess that who gets waved through are perhaps drivers who look like they are NOT impaired or look like they are not criminals...Maybe who they are dealing with really is not as random as some wish it to be.

    Sounds interesting. Any
    references to this?
    Good question.
  4. Hej Hej

    Hej Hej

    Dec 2, 2012
    Chesterfield, MO.
    Here ya go.......

    [ame=""]Police woman officer - full control situation over drunk driver / densing and singing - YouTube[/ame] :tongueout:
  5. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Show me data measuring it and proving it. If you can’t measure it, you cant prove it. Show me data where you specifically have deterred crime. You spout off that you have done, where is the data? If there is no data to measure it and evaluate it against the null hypothesis, then you didnt dtere any crime. I will even extend it to your whole department, show me where your department has statistically valid data showing that you deterred crime when measured against the null hypothesis (being that crime was not deterred). If your department is actually deterring crime, I would think this would be readily available data to show the public what that are getting for their money.

    Remember you are the one who requested measuring deterrence.

  6. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    They were receiving the grant funds.

    They couldn't arrest enough people to get their funds.

    I asked where in the blog piece did you find information to substantiate your claim they failed to qualify for the grant.

    I did quote you correctly for the second time, didn't I?
  7. You suppose to be a a smart guy?

    here's some questions;

    So if the alcohol related accidents deaths % #s have not went down in the last 10+ years, do you think that it's effective and truly deterring anybody?

    Or how effective ( what number ) do you place on this means for deterrence?

    Do you think regular cops hitting the streets, patroling and actually looking for DUI offenders is more effective than a DUI checkpoint?
  8. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    What is your appropriate title?
  9. OlliesRevenge


    Apr 26, 2012
    Aha, suspended license, not automatic conviction. Thanks for setting me straight on that. I'm a teetotaler so my experience is limited here.
  10. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    "An agency could have their contact terminated if it doesn’t reach its goals, but we look at all the goals," said Mairi Nelson, spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Transportation

    Boulder police spokeswoman Julie Brooks said the department fell short of its grant goal of 1,000 arrests set for 2004 by fewer than 100 arrests.
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2012
  11. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    I have already posted it.

    Shall you call my work and verify it?
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2012
  12. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    And have the number of cases dismissed or overturned based upon quotas gone up, remained the same, or have they decreased in Boulder since 2005?

    Did Boulder learn a lesson in 2005 or not?

    9/11 happened once in 2001. However, the war on terror has changed and grown as the threats have changed and grown. Funding for the war on terror has also changed to meet the needs.

    But, according to you, you were not commenting on Boulder receiving, or failing to qualify for funding. You said cases were dismissed or overturned based on quotas.

    What is comparable to that, cases dismissed or overturned because of a quota, in funding to fight terrorists after 9/11?
  13. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    In this thread? How about refreshing our memories, please.
  14. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    They do cover the major safety factors. Good group.
  15. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

    Mar 13, 2001
    Not a chance
    I believe it is El Conquistador ......

  16. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    I am not Spanish.
  17. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    You can easily find it.
  18. Gunny Lingus

    Gunny Lingus Think it moved

    Oct 21, 2001
    Members of DAMM (drunks against Mad Mothers) should saturate those checkpoints while not drinking, slur their speech, refuse the test, get the court order, be shown as sober, then do it again and keep judges up all hours of the night on holidays for nothing.

    They could overload the system and bog it down.
  19. dan1488


    Sep 19, 2010
    Washington State
    I don't drink but believe the checkpoints are an overreach, and for the people who like the searches and call driving a privilege why don't we just put blowers in everyones cars and then also you can put governors on them so they won't be able to speed. Those two things should save a few lives.
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