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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Random, Dec 28, 2012.
That's pathetic. Were you taught to bow as well?
Toward Zero Deaths - this is the largest Traffic Safety movement/organization in my state (and many others). Visit their website if you want to know more.
I have hundreds of arrests.
Dunno, Russ. You seem to want to tap dance around and play games. Who could say?
That's a 2005 article. Isn't it a little dated?
Do you believe there are not performance goals attached to grants for other fields? If the goals are not met, funding is discontinued. Legitimate, articulable success ensures continuing funding.
If an agency does not meet contractual performance standards, there are reasons. You want to focus on malpractice by law enforcement using a 2005 blog piece. Okay, it happened, probably still happens. I'm certain you will provide recent evidence confirming that.
You say that piece states that Boulder did not get their grant money because they missed the number of arrests goal. The closest I find to your post is this sentence:
Where did you find information that Boulder lost that funding?
Attorneys do use the quota defense. Sometimes it works.
Last, how does it relate to my post you quoted?
There are some scumbag judges out there.
In Louisiana, these judges are politicians, and lawyers obviously. Putting a robe on them doesn't change that.
And yet still dont know what a deterrent is.
de·ter·rent [dih-tur-uh nt, -tuhr-, -ter-]
1. serving or tending to deter.
verb (used with object), de·terred, de·ter·ring.
1. to discourage or restrain from acting or proceeding:
So by definition, every person you have arrested you have not DISCOURAGED from actin;in fact they did act.
Thank you playing and PROVING you personally do not deter crime. Why are "we" paying you if you can't show us how you deter crime?
Many of them haven't repeated=deterred
And if anything had been proven here, it is that you have no manners
NC does as well. I depends on the circumstances and drivers history but they charge it with great regularity. Sat at the hospital for part of a shift with the last one, woman had absolutely zero remorse. It was sickening.
Considering how many innocent people drunks kill every year,
I have no problem with these check points. The more the better.
Is the funding for the war on terror outdated because 9/11 happened in 2001?
What you are not reading, is that the performance goals are based on ARRESTS and they fell short of that. Why were the arrests lower?
In fact, wouldnt the ultimate goal of any DUI program, if it were for true public safety, be zero arrests because people were not driving drunk? Imagine a check point that had zero arrests over a holiday weekend because they didnt find any drunk drivers. Wouldnt that be a GOOD thing?
I did not state that they did not get their grant money. I stated that many DUI cases were dismissed or overturned based upon the quotas. Those were in the Boulder Daily Camera.
The DUI blog is a copied article from the Boulder Daly Camera. I read the paper in black and white when they were printed and their search engine and/or archives are not good.
So more people are killed/injured by careless drivers, un-attentive drivers, changing the radio, texting, excess speed, and driving than any number of DUI fatalities per year for the last 2 decades.
So would have no problems with just checkpoint in general?
How about random warrantless firearms checks?
Are the victims and family members innocent in those above scenarios?
When you refer to me by my proper title,
Graf Prof. Dr. Dipl Ing Dana, then I will take your "insult" seriously. Until then, I say you lack manners.
66% of fatalities involve sober drivers. What sort of war should we declare against them?
Check out the ego on this guy
When I meet you in your professional workplace I'll call you by your title, just like I call other professionals by their title in their work environment.
Didn't post in this thread to argue.......troll someone else!
A little too full of yourself, your arrogance is showing.
Oh no, you are the one requesting to be called something. I said I will extend you the courtesy of calling you "sir" or "officer" when you extend me the courtesy of calling me by my title.
Seems you two are the ones with ego problems expecting to be addressed as such. I dont expect it nor request it; however, if you expect it or request it, you need to be ready to reciprocate.
Hey hey stop this... don't post common sense and facts in this thread. Alcohol is bad very bad and evil
Historically we stay at 30-33% total deaths for automobiles nationwide for the last 10+ years, being alcohol related.
I remember a story by my new station about 6 years ago, where states that had DUI checkpoint saw no difference in the numbers. This goes back to the deterrence and how effective are they to begin with question, that no one on this thread can answer.
You know why? Because of the drama shaken up by MADD, Police, TV media, and anything else..... they can't and won't provide you the numbers.
When I asked for stats in my county approx 6 years ago, it took 3 weeks for Broward County sheriff to even give me some kinda of half-ass reply to my question and solid answer.
If DUI where so effective, they would be blasting me and you and the public with those numbers.
So every time I drive by a DUi checkpoint I have to laugh. It the same when driving by a interior border checkpoint.