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No Country for Old Men, My eyes are getting old.

Discussion in 'Sights, Optics and Lasers' started by tchick, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. tchick

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    I know a lot of people don't like laser sights but as my eyes get older I'm sold on them. I went shooting today and shot my Glock 19 for the first time with the Crimson Trace laser grips on it. I also shot my Beretta 96D with standard sights. My older eyes have a hard time seeing the sights these days and as a result I can't shoot groups as tight as I used to. I shot the Beretta at 25' rapid fire and shot the Glock at 25 yards rapid fire. My targets speak for themselves. You younger guys may be able to shoot fine without them but for us older guys lasers have their place.

    Beretta 96D with iron sights, 25'
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    Glock 19 with Crimson Trace laser grips, 25 yards
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  2. WacoGlock

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    You are correct about older eyes. I went to Hi Vis sights for daytime shooting and I have a CT on my G23 for low light and night time.It does make a big difference.
     


  3. michael e

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    At least you admit you need one now instead of making a mistake in a SD situation . I have personally never used one but have been toying with the idea lately.
     
  4. ronin.45

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    They are a good choice in many situations, old eyes being a major one.
     
  5. Turbo810

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    I have them on my Kimber and am thinking about them for my glock. They do make a big difference.
     
  6. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    Maybe you need a laser, but sights are only about 5% as important as shooters make them out to be. Usually they add lasers and change sights when the only part that needed work was their strong hand and trigger finger.
     
  7. 9mmdude

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    Maybe you need to get old and have the eyesight problems he has. Then you will see it is about 95% eyes. Not many blind people shoot; keep sending the wisdom.
     
  8. JBP55

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    As someone with impaired vision I agree with the you and the op.
    One poster answers every issue with you need more trigger time.
    He will change his mind as he ages also.
     
  9. In addition to the compensation for aged vision lasers offer more options than conventional iron, holo or scope sights.

    Although you may dry fire practice your trigger pull with iron sights, until you practice that with a laser you can not really visualy appreciate the differences in trigger control. Especially practicing with your weak hand.

    Iron and scope sights are fine when you have a shooting position and situation where you can look down the slide at the target. However you may find yourself in a situation or with an injury where that is not possible and then a laser sight is very useful shooting from an awkard or unfamilar position.

    To Bren's comment, sights are very important unless you are into spray and pray targeting. I like the TLR-2's on my Glocks and the Crimson Trace on other pistols and revolvers.
     
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  10. I don't know how you define "old" eyes, but mine are about 73. If you are old, you probably should have your cataracts replaced with good lenses. Quick and easy and outpatient procedure and Medicare. With Medicare, I got new lenses for about $1000 per eye. It would have been about half of that, but I paid additional to have the eye-doc correct for astigmatism.

    I've had 20/400 vision, legally blind without glasses, for all of my life until last year. Now I have about 20/20 in one eye and 20/25 in the other. I need to wear glasses to read. MY reading glasses also let me focus quite nicely on the front sight.
    I haven't used laser sights, but if that's where you are, then good for you.
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  11. Brucev

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    I like iron sights. In low light, etc., they blow. For the range... even when hunting, I have and currently routinely use them for excellent results. But when hunting in low light, I use a scope. It is a tremendous advantage over any iron sights ever invented. The same is true of any iron sights on any handgun for low light SD/HD. In low light one can take a handgun and point and shoot and hope to hit something. At hard off the muzzle range, you'll likely hit something... maybe even the "threat." But at hard off the muzzle on out to across the room/down the hall distances in low light, a laser is extremely effective. It is not traditional. So what? Neither were cartridges when everyone was still stuffing loose powder and ball into percussion revolvers. Hits are what count. Lasers make it easier in low light to get hits. And hits are all that matter.
     
  12. scattershot

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    This mod helped me a lot. I have 65 year old eyes, and I can pick this up in a hurry. I just hogged out the rear sight with a 1/4" rattail file, and left the front sight alone. Cheap, too.[​IMG]
     
  13. jwhite75

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    ^^^^^^Maybe optical illusion but that rear sight looks way to the right on that gun...
     
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  14. BailRecoveryAgent

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    What sights are those??
     
  15. AustinTx

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    That's really not a bad looking sight set-up.
     
  16. Bren

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    I was out at the range a couple of years ago and there was an old guy shooting a fixed sight S&W .38. His wife was beside him calling out his hits. He was shooting a steel plate about the size of an 11x17 sheet of paper at 100 yards. Turns out he was legally blind, so his wife had to drive him to the range and help spot the target. But he knew how to pull the trigger and control recoil.

    If you can see the laser dot on the target, you can see the front sight and if you are having trouble seeing the target clearly, you're doing it wrong, because you aren't supposed to be seeing the target clearly.
     
  17. The artillary guys don't have to see their target either, their spotter will call them in, like his wife. It's actually fun to do with a 44 Mag at 300 or better. And what makes you think she actually drove him there instead of giving him directions as he drove? Makes you feel real secure on the road.
    You are wrong about seeing the target and the front sight, when focused on the front sight, a slightly fuzzy target may or may not be the one pointing the weapon at you at the time.
     
  18. alwaysshootin

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    From the pics, from in the stall, it appears someone needs, even more help, than you!:supergrin:
     
  19. Ranger357

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    Expensive, but this is likely a better answer. (Photos not mine)

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  20. bentbiker

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    You apparently have no experience with failing vision. Just because someone has satisfactory vision (corrected or non-corrected) at a distance of 7+ yds, it doesn't mean they can focus on a front sight less than 1 yd from their eyes. And correction to focus on the front sight might well mean it is impossible to identify a target at distance.

    As for whether "you aren't supposed to be seeing the target clearly," I'd say that is a matter of opinion. Personally, I like to identify my targets before shooting them.

    OP, there are a couple issues with lasers that can cause issues. Have you tried to use a laser on a moving target? Outdoors, especially in bright sunlight, it can be nearly impossible to find the laser dot, and with a moving target, you might be dead before you find the dot. An alternative that offers the same advantages as a laser without the above disadvantages is the small red dot sight -- with a good RDS, the dot is always quickly visible, and although it reflects off the lens close to your eyes, it appears as if it is bouncing off the target.