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Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by bac1023, Dec 8, 2010.


  1. bac1023

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    I know this may offend a few people here, as I've seen a few lately. However, I feel the need to state my honest opinion and see if anyone feels the same way.

    What is the appeal of a Nighthawk Heinie model? Its a great 1911, no doubt, and I'm not going to take anything away from it from that standpoint. My problem is that its not a Heinie custom, its a Nighthawk built by Nighthawk employees. According to Nighthawk, he "supervises" the operation, but I'm not sure to what extent that is as its very vague. I do know he's involved in the operation at some level, but the whole idea just doesn't appeal to me.

    I'd love the have one of his guns, but these aren't his guns. They use some of his parts, but so do quite a few others.

    I felt the same way about the Vickers gun Nighthawk built. Once they changed the name to Enforcer and altered its appearance somewhat, I bought one. However, I don't want a semi-custom gun built to look like or try to pose something its not.

    Again, the Nighthawk Heinie models are well built, beautiful 1911s. I'm sure that's the appeal, but the concept just turns me off. I want the real deal not a Nighthawk copy of a master 1911 smith's work.

    I apologize in advance if I offended anybody. That's not my intention, but I wanted my opinion out there. I love Nighthawks and I love Richard Heinie custom 1911s. However, I prefer to keep them separate.

    Thoughts? :dunno:
     

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    I think Nighthawk's stock just dipped after your post. :whistling:
     

  3. bac1023

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    :rofl:

    God, I hope not Paul. :embarassed:

    Like I said, I love my Nighthawks. :supergrin:
     
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    I don't have an answer for you Brian but somewhere Penguins' fingers are tingling. :tongueout:
     
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    I have an honest question as well. It is not meant as a dig. To what extent do you guys think that a famous smith would risk his name and his reputation on a product that does may or may not meet his standards of excellence? I would never put my name on something that I did not personally inspect, no matter the reputation of the guys doing the building.

    As far as I how feel about the current offerings: Way overpriced for something not coming from the man himself. IMO NIghthawk has raised thier prices higher than I am willing to pay for them as of late. Dont get me wrong I like the ones I have or had, but they are not the "bargain" they used to be.
     
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    Honestly, I got my NHC Heinie model because it fit the profile of what I was looking for in a carry 1911 at the time (even if a little impulsive), and was a superbly done piece.

    I would actually prefer it didn't have the Heinie logos on it - it's not a full custom build done by Richard, and I don't care to have it represented as such.

    I do really like and prefer a lot of the Heinie components (trigger, mag well, bushing/plug) in the build of my pistol, and I'd use them again in another build if I could.

    I agree that I don't understand famous smiths lending their name to semi custom houses, even if they make money off of it (which I'm sure they do).

    All the same, while that aspect doesn't particularly appeal to me (it really had nothing to do with the draw of my interest to this pistol), I still love the gun.
     
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  8. glock2740

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    I don't own a Nighthawk, but I've always wanted one, up until recently. I'm not saying that I don't want one anymore, but a NH will be one of my last purchases, if ever. They have come out with some really strange stuff lately and I've never understood the whole Heinie thing either. If I want a 1911 that says Heinie on it, I want Heinie to have built it. I do like several of their other models though. I think that they make a good looking gun and I know that they put out a quality product. But for my money, there are other 1911's that I'd rather have. As for the Heinie guns, I absolutely can't see how they ask as much as they do for them. I do think they are great looking guns and I'm sure they are top notch, but they are overpriced IMO.
     
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    I completely agree with you on this, I have always wanted a Larry Vickers 1911, Nighthawk came out with the VT and i never understood why. For me anyway the only Heine, Vickers or any other custom maker 1911 that I will ever own will be a full custom and not some other companies wannabee


    Having said that I have a Commander Bobtail Nighthawk that was built by Ron Phillips before he left Nighthawk that is my all time favorite pistol
     
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    And Vickers pulled the plug on that relationship when there were multiple issues and cost increases with the model that carried his name.....I think he learned a pretty valuable lesson with that deal.
     
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    I believe that's the ticket, my friend.

    BTW, yours looks great.
     
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    I hear you on all that Joe, but I would love to see you get yourself a 'hawk. After all, you have everything else. :)

    You're right, some of the new stuff is odd, but they do build some classy 1911s as well. As I've mentioned before, you would love the Enforcer. :)
     
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    I would love to have an Enforcer just exactly like yours and a Ladyhawk(minus the roll marks of course). I like your Predator that's been bobtailed alot too. :thumbsup:
     
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    That could be true, Dave.
     
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    I used to feel the same way as a lot of you up until recently. They did do a limited run on a strange looking "special edition" package with Knight's, but what else have they made that is strange looking? The AAC is different but I dont think it looks bad, but tradionalists may disagree.
    I used to say NH was overpriced, but didnt know exactly about their product. Supposedly all of their parts are barstock steel. So that would take their entry line GRP and put it on the same tier as the CQB Elite. IMO they are not necessarily overpriced, and i like with them, you can have basically anything that you want but it comes at a price. Where WC will only do 30 LPI( i did get 20, but had to hassle them) NH will do 20,25 or 30. Also, I have read some negative comments about their CS, I have found them nothing but nice through our recent conversations. I am still a little new with them, but in the experience I have they make a heck of a gun
     
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    I can't see buying one myself. To me, they seem a little overpriced. Would rather spend a little less on a Wilson or a lot less on a Brown. Just my 2¢.
     
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    I've only had mine for about 2 months...But its been flawless so far from the first shot. I have several high end 1911's and they all have their high and not so impressive points. One of my favorite pistols is the least reliable..lol over 1300 rounds threw it and still fte and other ftf issues. its been back to the MFG 2 times also. Its a tack driver but i would never carry it.

    The Heinie name had nothing to do with my decision. All you mid life crisis guys out there that have bought or dreamed of buying a Linginfelter corvette or Rousch Mustang.....Never thought or thought it was part of the deal that LING or Jack Rousch turned a wrench on your car.

    The cars are none the less the Super muscle car that keeps you smiling.....


    This one has kept a grin on my face for 2 months....more than i can say about many things in life....LOL.....and some of those were WAY more $$$ than a HTC....:thumbsup:

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    you're exactly right. it's all about the money. but hey, this is America. then again, i'm a little out of my knowledge base when it comes to semicustoms, as i don't own one. only had one pistol worked by novaks, and wish i hadn't done that!
     
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    That's the first negative thing I've ever heard about Novak. What happened?
     
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    the work was excellent. it was just an option i picked. should have explained better. i saw a pic on his website of a bhp with a beavertail welded on. i know you've seen what i'm talking about. well, it was georgous. but it changed my hand position ever so slightly. i could hit tin cans at 25yrds all day when it was stock. i shot it more accurate than any other pistol i owned, but once the beavertail was added, my accuracy suffered. and i know it's the beavertail. it has almost twice as much muzzle flip as before. i had over 20000 rds thru that pistol, so it needed refinishing and i just added a few more things, the beavertail being one. just wish i had left that out. wouldn't hesitate to send him anything.
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