Next gun to fille a niche - Sub2000, Mosin, or other?

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Mr Spock, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. Mr Spock

    Mr Spock Vulcan


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  2. rednoved

    rednoved NRA Member

    Get the 10/22 and a 91/30 for cheaper than an S2K. If money isn't a factor in your decision, you would just buy all three right now. I'm with the other guy. For the price of the S2K, you could knock 2 guns off your list.

    #22 rednoved, Sep 29, 2012
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2012
  3. I have the G17 Kel Tec and the only major beef I have is that the front sight is pretty cheesy and hard to get adjusted really well. My gun was bought for $300 + tax some years ago and the orange sight blade is held in with a screw and loosen it up and the orange blade drifts up and down and you have to futz around backing out and tightening the screw and nut both to get the windage set. I adjusted my gun to fire the 147 grain 9mm ammo. Another issue is that Kel-Tec says not to use aluminum cased ammo - so the inexpensive CCI Blazer is not usable. Kel Tec didn't make any effort to allow an owner to easily put a red dot scope or optic on the gun, and if you do rig some way, you lose the abilty to fold it in half, which to me is one of its selling points. Really makes it portable and stowable folded. I keep mine in a small nylon bag in the car trunk. It really rocks with the 33 round magazines!

    FWIW, I do like pistol caliber carbines. My favorite is my Marlin Camp Carbine in 45 ACP, second favorite is a Marlin lever action in 357/38 special, then comes the Kel Tec.

    By all means, at some point get a Ruger 10/22. It is hard to beat a good 22, a brick of ammo and a fun afternoon at the range or out plinking:wavey:
    #23 Bill Keith, Sep 30, 2012
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2012
  4. Id get the s2k and a 10/22 or M&p15-22. Not really fond of my buddys mosin.

    My 10/22 is having issues with the bx-25 magazines (all 4) so it may end up being traded or sold to fund the aforementioned 15-22...
  5. If you are going after niches just about any gun you listed will work.

    Get the Kel Tec now if you can get your hands on one.

    The Mosin Nagant rifle second. They made millions of them but they don't make them any more so the longer you wait the more it will cost you.

    Shame on you for not owning a Ruger 10-22. If I ran this country you would need to bring one and a voter ID card before I would allow to to vote.:whistling:

    Now work overtime or get a second job and get a Ruger 10-22!

    Oh, and don't forget to vote.:patriot:
  6. MadMonkey

    MadMonkey Spershul Furces

    No self-respecting gun enthusiast should ever have a gun safe devoid of a rifle chambered in .22LR.

    That being said... if you found a good deal on a Sub2k, jump on it. If it's an iffy price, get a 10/22 and a few packs of ammo.
  7. Everyone should have a 10/22. My 10/22, made in the 80s, is my favorite firearm of all the firearms I have owned. Cheap to shoot and a lot of fun.
  8. Mr Spock

    Mr Spock Vulcan

    Oh, I'm definitely going to vote... My reasoning for looking at the pistol caliber carbine first is that in the event that there is another run on guns/ammo after the election, that is more likely to be affected by artificially inflated prices than a .22LR rifle. Also, the .22 is more immune to political grandstanding about banning/restricting. Better to get the "evil" guns ASAP.

    The price was apparently fantastic... Going tomorrow morning to see if it's still there.
  9. Sometimes I don't want to mention the name but something inexpensive and reliable....a Hi-Point 4595/995/4095TS.


    I have a 4595TS and thus far, dead nuts reliable. Of course I haven't had it in the sand, dirt, outdoors plinking, etc. But they are being sold for as low as $279 at gunbroker and not quite as hard to find as the Sub 2K. Downsides are weight (around 7lbs), no hi cap mags other than Pro Mag (which aren't the best IMO).
  10. I have one of these but with a red dot on it . Pee on this rude/crude socially unacceptable carbine all you want but I have been around the block a few times in the city of firearms and as unsophisticated as this gun is , there is beauty . I don't hold the carbine up with pride but I will hold it up . It feeds everything . I even tweeked a handload for it , a subsonic 147g GDHP round that runs absolutely flawless . I really wish someone would develop a nice functional hicap mag . But a pocket full of 10 rounders that I can bust a 2 liter coke bottle at all day long at 50yards so often it gets boring , well, it can stay in my safe till it breaks. Then I will send it back and they will fix it for free. The American pistol caliber AK .
  11. Very well said. I love mine, great gun, crude, ugly (eye of the beholder), but it works.
  12. " My reasoning for looking at the pistol caliber carbine first is that in the event that there is another run on guns/ammo after the election, that is more likely to be affected by artificially inflated prices than a .22LR rifle. Also, the .22 is more immune to political grandstanding about banning/restricting. Better to get the "evil" guns ASAP. "

    I like pistol caliber carbines. Have four in 9mm. At one time not so long ago 9mm was very cheap to shoot. It is still the cheapest centerfire ammo. They are fun and easy to shoot.

    Also like 357 mag and 44 mag carbines but that is a revolver thing. If you have a 357 or 44 mag revolver then a carbine is a nice niche fit.:cool:
  13. I have an overpriced CX4 in 9mm I like a lot. Built very well, easy to maintain and accurate. Slapped an H-1 on her and good to go.

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  14. snewsoG22

    snewsoG22 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


    [ame=""]Kel Tec Sub 2000 (9mm folding carbine) NICE BUMPFIRE, and my AR-15 - YouTube[/ame]

    ^not me
  15. Mr Spock

    Mr Spock Vulcan

    Thanks for all the input, guys. When I got the sub2k of the wall at the shop, I just couldn't get a good seat on my shoulder, see the sights, and not feel like it was just awkward for my frame. I REALLY wanted to like it, but my rather long arms and long frame didn't fit very well.

    I took the advice of my conscience and half the thread and picked up the 10/22 FINALLY... All in all, a good day.

    On a positive note, I found what is by far the best gun shop in the region... Customer service is top notch - not a common thing around here.
  16. MrGlock21

    MrGlock21 NRA Instructor

  17. I watched two of them do that and heard from others about same problem.
    Sure you can cut down spring, make them unsafe in the long run but fun enough to make youtube video.
  18. snewsoG22

    snewsoG22 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    :rofl: I'm sure he cut down the springs. Just like every other sub2k bump fire vid on youtube did too!

    I have one. I have only put maybe a few hundred rounds through it. It has jammed twice, but I blame the 10 round magazine it came with, since it has worked great with all other magazines. I think you will find the majority opinion on this little gun is very favorable.

    I wish the OP had found it more comfortable because they are pretty neat guns. A lot of people think they are hard to get down on the sights enough, but I'm a big guy and don't have a problem with it. I really think it can be overcome with just a bit of practice. 10/22's are great, it was my first gun. I do agree that every collection needs one, but I also think you'll be kicking yourself for not getting the sub2k, OP.
    #38 snewsoG22, Oct 3, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2012
  19. Mr Spock

    Mr Spock Vulcan

    Maybe, but the collection includes a folding stock AK, so I have the short-ish rifle/carbine platform covered, and now I know that I should be looking out for a 9mm or .40 AR platform or something just a little more ergonomic (for me) than the KT if I decide I want something in a pistol caliber.

    Now, to save the proper funds and add a 1911 to the collection! :cool:
  20. snewsoG22

    snewsoG22 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    I would say that a folding AK and a sub2k can do many of the same things, so in your case the 10/22 was probably a great choice. Hope you love your new rifle! but why would you want a 1911? :tongueout:

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