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News report showing that CCW is "ineffective"

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by jbailey8, Jan 4, 2013.

  1. jbailey8

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s"]Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part One - YouTube[/ame]

    I wasn't impressed with this video and thought some of you may want to take a look. This was uploaded to youtube in 2010 and it was pretty biased. They take a police firearms instructor and put him in an active shooter situation as the attacker to see how average CCers will react. I like the idea as a training point, but the media spin is pathetic.

    What's your thoughts?
     
  2. APERS

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    In light of all the mass shootings in gun free zones/posted areas/posted buildings.. CCW is not effective where it is not allowed..? :sad:
     


  3. Atomic Punk

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    the gloves and setup aside. most gunmen busting into a room dont know in advance who is armed, and exactly where they are.
    the whole thing is just silly.
     
  4. cowboy1964

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    This is an old story. Have been many threads here.

    I don't care if anyone thinks it's ineffective or not.
     
  5. lilmule

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    I think anyone is ineffective if the attacker has a firearm out and pointing at you,be silly to try to bring yours out unless you thought they would shoot anyway,then most likly both shot you twice since he had his out him once,with you having the biggest problem.
    Last resort situation,distracted stand a chance,against other weapons stand a bigger chance,like ball bat at ten ft and you see it coming.
    Carrying a gun does not mean you wont die,but stand a better chance of taking them with you or averting it all together.
    Would it pay to stop a crime if it resulted in a gunfight,with others in the vicinity.
    Assuming they are whacco yes, otherwise no.
     
  6. Never faced with an active shooter situatuion, but I would beg to differ with the effectiveness of CCW for my part....I would have been in serious trouble w/o one on at least one occasion and I didn't even have to draw it. Hundreds of such situations like mine go down every month and everyone goes home safe. No shots fired, just the presence......

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  7. xmanhockey7

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    Don't even get me started about how B.S. this "news report" is. I bet I can make a video that shows the "CCW" holder to be a great to have. They'll even get the girl when the dust settles.
     
  8. Bren

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    It is ridiculous and proves nothing. My evidence? Time after time after time we post news articles of CCWers winning against bad guys who have drawn guns, superior numbers, surprise, etc.

    It clearly works and it always has - that's why the police carry guns.

    I'm a concealed carry permit holder - I'll bet I have more training and qualification, including more certifications as a law enforcement firearms instrutor than everybody in that video combined.
     
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  9. steveksux

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    I think it's interesting that these people are so clueless that they try to take on an armed intruder with simunitions rather than taking cover and fleeing.

    Taking people who have never carried before, pretending they respond like the average ccwer seems rather dubious too.

    Randy

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  10. RussP

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    First, anything put out by VPC, the Violence Policy Center, http://www.vpc.org/index.htm, should not be considered a "news report."

    VPC is an anti-firearm, anti-2nd Amendment group dedicated to disarming America.

    Please go to their website before giving the video credibility.
     
  11. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    Not their video, they merely stole it from news media.
    It's a logical fallacy to shoot the wrong messenger... :rofl:
    Randy


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  12. RussP

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    Click on the YouTube link...does it not go to VPC Videos. They are promoting, endorsing the video. Stolen from ABC News? Yeah, and ABC News is the unbiased fair and balanced source for reporting on firearms?

    As I said, rephrased, anything put out by, promoted by, endorsed by, used by VPC should not be considered accurate reporting of anything connected to firearms and their legal use.
     
  13. robhic

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    OK, so I take a few people with MINIMAL (1/2 hour?) training, put gloves on their hands and then expect them to go, cold, into a life-or-death situation? Really? And this passes as fair journalism? What a crock!!!

    What about they let them drive around in a new car for an hour or so and then give them a set of tools and tell them to take the engine out. What? Nobody could do that?

    Well, that is what, to me, this "demonstration" of how ineffective weapons use is by comparison. GTFO!!!:steamed:
     
  14. FireForged

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    if having a firearm in ineffective against a mad man with a gun then why do people call the police?
     
  15. xmanhockey7

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    Not to mention the "active shooter" knows exactly who to shoot because they're in on it and everyone in the class goes running past the shooter to do the door. Really? I'm betting there would be far more people ducking under the desk or sitting there frozen.
     
  16. WhiskeyUnicorn

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    open carry would have prevented this...or a better holster...or if the "gunman" didn't know that guy was armed...
     
  17. 2-8 Marine

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    OP then join the unarmed liberals and be a victim! If you can't or do not know how to employ deadly force don't carry! I for one do know how and when to employ deadly force and will every time it's required! Thats the difference! Sure there is alway the chance you will catch a round during a gun fight thats why it called a gun fight! The trick is to make the other guy bleed more!:whistling:
     
  19. jbailey8

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    Uh.... I said I "wasn't impressed" by the video and then went on to say that the media spin was "biased" and "pathetic." I don't understand how that makes me a liberal.

    I said I liked the idea of the scenario as a training tool. I was actually aggravated that the female (the only one to get any shots off) was criticized for "not standing in the right place."

    I too am confident in my ability to put rounds on target and employ deadly force. Sorry that you misunderstood why I posted the video.



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  20. IndyGunFreak

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    Pretty much. This is along the same lines as people saying "CCW reduces crime". Most states, see very little change in their crime rates after ccw passes (aside from normal variations, and crime has been on the downward trend for some time).

    I don't care if crime doubles when CCW is passed.. if it's not CCW holders committing the crime, it's irrelevant.