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News for SC CWP from SLED 10/20

Discussion in 'Carolina Glockers' started by Chucktown Mako, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. Chucktown Mako

    Chucktown Mako G23

    Jun 24, 2009
    On the Coast, SC
    This is from my CWP instructor. He had a meeting last night with other instructors and SLED. Looks like you can now carry in Post Office's!

    At last night's CWP Instructor's meeting, SLED told us that:

    1. Concealed carry in a post office is okay. You just can't
    go behind the counter.

    2. SLED cannot pull your fingerprints off of the computer database,
    so you have to submit two paper fingerprint cards. We have lots
    of these cards. So, if you need, just ask us.

    3. There are 99,000 active CWPs in South Carolina.

    4. South Carolina has reciprocity with: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,
    Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina,
    Ohio, Texas, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

    5. If you have a CWP you may not carry in a school. However,
    you may leave the gun in an attended or locked motor vehicle if it
    is secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed
    trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and
    transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle.
    Section 2. Section 16-23-420(A) of the 1976 Code as last amended
    by Act 294 of 2004 as further amended. This act takes effect upon
    approval by the Governor. Ratified the 27th day of May 2009.
    Approved the 2nd day of June 2009.

    6. If you have legal questions, feel free to ask us. If we cannot
    answer your questions, we will forward them to SLED and they have
    been very good about answering our questions.
  2. RichardB

    RichardB Silver Member

    Jul 29, 2007
    This new case law seems to contradict what you heard. Looks like parking lots are off limits also.

    Post Office Court Case Says No Guns in Post Offices
    Oregon Firearms Federation

    Oregon Firearms Federation

    Salem, Oregon - -( some time there has been confusion about the legality of carrying a firearm in a Post Office.

    Many Post Offices have signs posted stating it is unlawful. However, Federal law does NOT prohibit possession of firearms in Post Offices for “any lawful purpose.”

    In our book “Understanding Oregon’s Gun Laws” we stated that we knew of no successful prosecutions for persons carrying guns in Post Offices, but otherwise committing no crime.

    Unfortunately we now have one.

    It’s important to note that the conviction stemmed not from any violation of law, but of a violation of a “rule” which is a very troubling development.

    To see the entire ruling, read below or use this link :


    Plaintiff – Appellee v. CLARENCE PAUL DOROSAN,
    Defendant – Appellant

    Appeals from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana USDC No. 08-CR-42-1

    Before REAVLEY, JOLLY, and WIENER, Circuit Judges. PER CURIAM:*

    Defendant-Appellant Clarence Paul Dorosan appeals his conviction of violating 39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l) for bringing a handgun onto property belonging to the United States Postal Service. For the reasons below, we AFFIRM.

    Dorosan raises one argument on appeal: The regulation under which he was convicted violates his Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, as recently recognized in District of Columbia v. Heller, 555 U.S. —-, 128 S. Ct. 2783, 2822 (2008). Assuming Dorosan’s Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms extends to carrying a handgun in his car, Dorosan’s challenge nonetheless fails.

    First, the Postal Service owned the parking lot where Dorosan’s handgun was found, and its restrictions on guns stemmed from its constitutional authority as the property owner. See U.S. CONST. art. IV, § 3 cl. 2; United States v. Gliatta, 580 F.2d 156, 160 (5th Cir. 1978). This is not the unconstitutional exercise of police power that was the source of the ban addressed in Heller. See 128 S. Ct. at 2787-88 (noting the laws in question “generally prohibit[ed] the possession of handguns” anywhere in the city).

    Moreover, the Postal Service used the parking lot for loading mail and staging its mail trucks. Given this usage of the parking lot by the Postal Service as a place of regular government business, it falls under the “sensitive places” exception recognized by Heller. See Heller, 128 S. Ct. at 2816-17 (holding that “nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on . . . laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings . . . .”).

    Finally, the Postal Service was not obligated by federal law to provide parking for its employees, nor did the Postal Service require Dorosan to park in the lot for work. If Dorosan wanted to carry a gun in his car but abide by the ban, he ostensibly could have secured alternative parking arrangements off site. Thus, Dorosan fails to demonstrate that § 232.1(l) has placed any significant burden on his ability to exercise his claimed Second Amendment right.

    In conclusion, the above-stated facts do not compel us to hold that § 232.1(l) as applied to Dorosan is unconstitutional under any applicable level of scrutiny.

    Oregon Firearms Federation
    PO Box 556
    Canby, OR 97013
    Voice: (503) 263-5830

  3. Glockrunner

    Glockrunner HOOYA DEEPSEA

    Sep 10, 2001
    The Parking Lot in question is the lot that the postal workers park in, not, the public side.
  4. Chucktown Mako

    Chucktown Mako G23

    Jun 24, 2009
    On the Coast, SC
    Correct, Glockrunner. It is/was the law, he should have parked somewhere else.

    It has always been illegal to carry on any federally owned property. I am trying to get some clarification on the news. I would not carry into PO until I know for sure. Good way to get a lifetime firearms ban.
  5. ColdbarrelZero


    Aug 6, 2012
    My wife works for the city of charlston and parks in a designated parking deck which is federal property so technicaly she is not allowed to carry in our vehicle. About a year ago she was nearly carjacked and she was unarmed. If not for police being nearby who knows what may have happened? Since then i innsist she carry in console. What is your opinion?

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  6. Glockrunner

    Glockrunner HOOYA DEEPSEA

    Sep 10, 2001
    I would have to say, have her park in another lot. I guess then she would to gain access thru the "designated parking deck" to get in at work.
  7. Fisherman


    Feb 18, 2012
    South Carolina
    Thanks for the info. We're one of the better states to live in for reasonable CCW but this demonstrates that we still need to keep up with current rulings. :fishing: