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newbie powder for 9mm

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by SouthernBoy, Aug 31, 2010.

  1. SouthernBoy

    SouthernBoy

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    I am trying to find the best powder to start reloading with. From what I have read Universal would be good to start with since there is a lot less chance over a double charge. Is there a better choice? It is for a G19 124g fmj plinking rounds. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. fredj338

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    Any of the medium burners work great in the 9mm; Univ, Unique, WSF, PP, AA#5. You can even go a bit faster w/ W231/HP38.
     


  3. FLSlim

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    I haven't used Universal, but have used Unique (similar burn rate) and AA #5. I've been satisfied with both and there is little chance of overcharge in the small 9mm case. Even so, if you are starting out, it would be good to use a light to check each charged case to make sure the powder loads are at similar levels.
     
  4. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    :wavey: Just playin Fred.... LOL
     
  5. Colorado4Wheel

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    Jack is going to tell you that you should get Bullseye, Unique or 2400. If you can't do it with those three in pistol it don't need to be done.

    Page 2 of this link will let you compare the actual volume of each powder. Look up a weight close to what the manual recommends that look at the size disc that Lee says it will need. Comparing disc sizes gives you the data of how bulky a powder really is.

    http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/AD2302.pdf

    You have plenty to choose from already from everyone else. But read the burn rate chart and compare each powder on your burn rate chart (they vary a little as well). Pick a medium burn powder. 231 is as fast as I would go to start, I would not go slower then Power Pistol (great powder if you shoot outside).
     
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  6. Pat T

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    For target 115 gr fmj loads I like HP38/231 but it's hard to find around here right now. Meters very well, one of the main reasons I like it. You can set the powder measure and verify every tenth load on the scale and be within .1 grain. This is my humble opinion and I defer to others with more experience. Power Pistol is reported to work very well with 9mm as is Titegroup. No experience with either of those. The flake shotgun powders like green and red dot will work and be economical, but I don't trust the metering consistency with them in 9mm, just a personal choice. Good luck SB and let us know how your first reloads work.

    Pat
     
  7. D. Manley

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    Winchester WSF & Ramshot Silhouette are ideal. Vihthavuori N-330 or N-340 are great too but, more costly.
     
  8. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    BULLSEYE
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    UNIQUE

    2400 isn't worth a damn in 9's.

    If you're going to learn to load then do it like a professional. Keep it to three powders and use the money you save on a bigger flat panel for your loading room.
    (Don't buy a FCD either... the money you save can be used to buy batteries for the flat panel remote.)​


    Jack
     
  9. Colorado4Wheel

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    2400 is way slower then Power Pistol so yeah, I wasn't recommending it.
     
  10. SouthernBoy

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    Wow! So much for narrowing it down:wow: Thanks for the quick reply guys. I will most likely just go see what I can find locally from these choices and go load some up.
     
  11. jdavionic

    jdavionic NRA Member

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    I started out with HS-6. I liked it because it would be very obvious if you double charged a case...versus something like Titegroup, which I use now.
     
  12. Colorado4Wheel

    Colorado4Wheel

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    Here is my process for narrowing it down.

    1) Find the manufatures upper and lower recommended charge for my bullet weight.
    2) Look the weight of that powder charge up in the Lee link to see how much volume it has. Compare that volume to volume of that case.
    3) Look at the burn rate of that powder on several burn rate charts.

    Then pick the purpose of the load.

    1) If I want a light shooting USPSA load I pick the faster powder and see if recommended charges have a good chance of meeting my PF goals.
    2) If I want a normal load I pick a medium burn powder. Medium burn powders work the pistol better, act better with mid level loads normally. 231 is the start of this in 9mm.
    3) If I want max velocity I look for a slower powder. Power Pistol is great in 9mm for speed. So are other slower (for 9mm) powders.

    Hence my statement of 231 or slower but no need to go slower then PP unless you shoot inside then other options have less flash. PP is bulky accuarate and has great velocity potential. 231 is less bulky, faster, less recoil as well. In between and around those two you just need to do your homework.

    You got to do the work.
     
  13. Kwesi

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    I've only been reloading for about 6 months. I started with WSF for my 9mm. It has run flawlessly in full auto (5.0 gr 115 gr FMJ) and in G17. Last week I had my first opportunity to chrono it @ 1,043 out of the G17. I've also loaded them at 5.3 and 5.5 gr ( 5.7 being max ). When my WSF runs out I'm going to move to Power Pistol. I've also used Unique with no issues.
     
  14. Unique is what i use for 9 amd 45. will be using it for 38 and 380 more than likely.

    i am looking for some wsf to try at the recommendation of a friend as well.
     
  15. You really can't go wrong with Universal, it was the first I tried with 9mm. I went ahead and experimented with 231, Unique and Bullseye, but honestly...Universal just has a nice grainy texture to it that doesn't manage to get all over your arms and table. It's pretty much like sand. Plus it seems to be cleaner burning.

    I did not like Unique at all as it has huge flakes and is rather difficult to dip properly (yes, I use dippers).
     
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  16. MinervaDoe

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    I've been using Unique and I found it to be very accurate in my G34. I'm going to test a pound of IMR 4756. My Lyman manual lists IMR 4756 as the most accurate powder tested for 9mm 115 grain jacketed bullets. In Pet Loads, Ken Waters found it to have outstanding accuracy on alloy bullets too (so I plan to work up some 115 grain plated loads for my G26). Waters also felt that 9mm performance with IMR 7625 was exceptional too. I still have to test it, but I've had good results from both sources.
    Has anybody tried IMR 4756 or IMR 7625 in 9mm?
     
  17. cole

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    For the new reloader, the medium burners are good advice for 9mm. I use Titegroup for 9mm currently, but when that's gone I will likely go back to good 'ol Unique. Example burn rate chart below. I'd look at powders that are plus/minus 10-12 steps from Unique.

    1. R-1 (Norma)
    2. N310 (Vihtavuori)
    3. Titewad (Hodgdon)
    4. AS- 30N (ADI)
    5. Nitro 100 (Accurate)
    6. Bullseye (Alliant)
    7. Solo 1000 (Accurate)
    8. Red Diamond (Scot)
    9. AS (Vectan)
    10. Red Dot (Alliant)
    11. Promo (Alliant)
    12. Titegroup (Hodgdon)
    13. No. 2 (Accurate)
    14. American Select (Alliant)
    15. AA Plus (Winchester)
    16. Clays (Hodgdon)
    17. N320 (Vihtavuori)
    18. Competition (Ramshot)
    19. Royal D (Scot)
    20. WST (Winchester)
    21. AP- 50N (ADI)
    22. HP38 (Hodgdon)
    23. AO (Vectan)
    24. 452AA (Winchester)
    25. 453 (Scot)
    26. 231 (Winchester)
    27. Zip (Ramshot)
    28. 700X (IMR)
    29. Green Dot (Alliant)
    30. AS- 50N (ADI)
    31. International Clays (Hodgdon)
    32. 473AA (Winchester)
    33. HS-5 (Hodgdon)
    34. WSL (Winchester)
    35. Unique (Alliant)
    36. Universal Clays (Hodgdon)
    37. N330 (Vihtavuori)
    38. AP- 70N (ADI)
    39. Power Pistol (Alliant)
    40. SR-7625 (IMR)
    41. HS-6 (Hodgdon)
    42. Silhouette (Ramshot)
    43. WAP (Winchester)
    44. N340 (Vihtavuori)
    45. 540 (Winchester)
    46. Herco (Alliant)
    47. WSF (Winchester)
    48. SR-4756 (IMR)
    49. AP- 100 (ADI)
    50. Solo 1250 (Accurate)
    51. 3N37 (Vihtavuori)
    52. 800X (IMR)
    53. No. 7 (Accurate)
    54. Longshot (Hodgdon)
    55. Solo 1500 (Scot)
    56. True Blue (Ramshot)
    57. N350 (Vihtavuori)
    58. 3N38 (Vihtavuori)
     
  18. JBaird22

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    I started with Universal and it burns pretty clean which is a plus. I have since switched to titegroup and I have found it is smoky and dirty. Not my favorite things but since I have a ton of it to use, I am going to keep with it.