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Newb AR Build help (NJ legal)

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by xkon, Apr 27, 2011.

  1. xkon

    xkon

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    Okay so Ive been bitten by the rifle bug and decide I want to venture further out than just my handguns. I would like to build/assemble my own AR with a few stipulations and need some help on a variety of questions. I LIVE IN NEW JERSEY :crying:, just to point that out because that will be the biggest obstacle. The gun will be used for target practice, around 300 yards would be the max, with the possibility of further. I am also on a budget of hopefully less than $1000. So with that in mind here goes.

    Okay, so I don't know much about rifle calibers. What calibers are common on ARs? Which ones would be fairly accurate to 300 yards? Also what caliber is the most cost effective? While I dont need an extremely powerful round because it mainly will be only target practice, I dont want something really weak either that wouldnt knock a squirrel over.

    After a caliber is chosen, I must decide on a few other things. Is buying a stripped lower and assembling the lower yourself and then purchasing a completed upper usually cheaper than a prebuilt AR? This is the route that I am looking at.

    What is everything that would be needed to put a rifle together? The stripped lower, lower parts kit with the grip and trigger, a stock, magazines, and a completed upper? Is there anything else that I dont know of?

    Where are some good websites that sell the supplies that are needed to make this all come together? Also any good links to any write ups would also be appreciated.

    Lastly, what are some quality brands for the upper and lower that I could go with to keep me within budget while still building a reliable, accurate rifle?


    Thanks all for any help, and Im sure ill have more questions as I progress.
     
  2. xkon

    xkon

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    Here is a little look into NJ laws regarding whats no allowed for those who may not know


    "Assault firearms" means:
    1. Any of the following firearms:
    Algimec AGM1 type
    Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12"
    Armalite AR-180 type
    Australian Automatic Arms SAR
    Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms
    Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms
    Bushmaster Assault Rifle
    Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900
    CETME G3
    Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type
    Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series
    Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types
    Demro TAC-1 carbine type
    Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types
    FAMAS MAS223 types
    FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms
    Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns
    G3SA type
    Galil type
    Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1
    Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms
    M1 carbine type
    M14S type
    MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms
    PJK M-68 carbine type
    Plainfield Machine Company Carbine
    Ruger K-Mini-14/5 F and Mini-14/5 RF
    SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types
    SKS with detachable magazine type
    Spectre Auto carbine type
    Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type
    Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types
    Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms
    USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun
    Uzi type semi-automatic firearms
    Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms
    Weaver Arm Nighthawk

    2. Any firearm manufactured under any designation, which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed in paragraph 1 above. As used in this definition, the term "substantial" means pertaining to the substance, matter, material or essence of a thing and the term "identical" means exactly the same. Hence, a firearm is substantially identical to another only if it is identical in all material, essential respects. A firearm is not substantially identical to a listed assault firearm unless it is identical except for differences that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm.

    The following are examples of manufacturer changes that do not alter the essential nature of the firearm: the name or designation of the firearm; the color of the firearm; the material used to make the barrel or stock of the firearm; the material used to make a pistol grip; and a modification of a
    pistol grip. This is not an exclusive list. A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:
    i. A semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
    (1) A folding or telescoping stock;
    (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
    (3) A bayonet mount;
    (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash
    suppressor; and
    (5) A grenade launcher;
     


  3. Best bet would be to buy an assembled rifle, it's a lot easier. If you do decide to do a kit Del-Ton makes post ban configurations, but they are NOT chrome lined barrels. You cannot have a threaded barrel in this state, it has to be a clean muzzle or a muzzle break permanently attached. To be honest I won't touch a muzzle break because of how unclear the law regarding it is.

    I would go for a 5.56mm chamber since that's the cheapest and at 300 yards you don't need more.
     
  4. xkon

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    I know that an assembled one would probably be easier but from what I read, putting the lowers together dont look too bad. And if it saves money I'm all for it. What is the difference between chrome and non-chrome lined barrels?
     
  5. Ease of cleaning, longevity. They're generally less accurate, but they take more of a beating then a standard barrel and they hold up to rapid fire better.


    There are 15 round mags for the .223 ARs, some are blocked others have pins put in and so on and a couple are cut down 20 rounders. You can also use 10 round mags.
     
  6. xkon

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    So i decided on the 556/223 and a DPMS lower which is on its way. I am looking to put in a Daniels Defense lower parts kit for about $75 bucks. Ive read some good things about daniels defense so I feel like that is a decent way to go. Opinions on them would be appreciated. Now to my other question/concern, the buttstock. A fixed stock is essential, and I am looking at http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=760499?cm_cat=Cart&cm_pla=ProductImg . Its an ACE/ARFX? fixed stock. My question is, what else would be needed with this stock to attach it to my lower? Is a buffer tube and spring required and anything else? Also would i need one of the stock wrenchs? Thanks

    Edit:
    Okay so I think I will need an extension tube, buffer, and spring as stated on the bottom of the link lol.

    Im thinking of this spring:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=191371?cm_cat=Cart&cm_pla=ProductDesc

    Still looking for an extension tube, and also what is the difference between a rifle and carbine buffer? I see the rifle is longer, but will they both work with any upper?
     
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2011
  7. M&P15T

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    Wow, that's rough. Can you even own an AR type rifle? The above makes me think you can't.
     
  8. xkon

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    Ya, basically if you have a pistol grip and detachable mag, you need a fixed stock, no bayonet mount, and cant have a threaded barrel/flash hider. Muzzle breaks are okay tho. So if you call that an AR, then yes lol
     
  9. bullittmcqueen

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    If you are dead set on that ACE stock, save yourself some trouble and get the buffer assembly as a kit.....BTW i searched high and low for this w/o the standard A2 stock, there arent many around.... (i dont know anything about this website, how reputable they are, etc.)

    http://jsgunparts.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=610


    and of course if you are happy getting a standard A2 stock, there are tons of complete kits available from reputable sites....

    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=646227


    you need a rifle length extension, buffer, and spring. carbine buffers/springs are a no-no in a rifle length A2 stock.
     
  10. Basically the similarly identical comes into play when the ban features are there. You can own AR "style" rifles but not rifles designated AR-15, so the XM 15 from bushmaster is fine as is the A-15 from DPMS. You might want to check Del-Ton, last I saw the ACE stocks they sell have the buffer tube and spring in the price.
    Correction, it's an option for some, standard for the skeleton stock. http://www.del-ton.com/ACE_Buttstock_p/bs1029.htm

    By the way M&P how would you feel if every time you asked a question someone replies "you need to move, get the hell out of that state" or something similar to it. It's really annoying and to be honest it got old 5 years ago.
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2011
  11. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    Feel aint got nothin' to do with it. And, I wouldn't let yourself be upset by others offering you good advice.