New York and LEOSA

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by nohocop, Jan 15, 2013.


  1. Tell you what, show me evidence of cops who have been attacked while "OFF DUTY AND IN PLAIN CLOTHES" that's higher than the statistical average of John Q. Public.

    Yes, I'm aware of the guys that attack while you're "on duty and in uniform", but that's not what I'm talking about.

    You say you want more "special rights" than the average citizen because of your job. Well, show me the evidence of why you "need" them over and above any other citizen.

    Until then, you're argruments have been less than persuasive.

    Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

    Clyde
     

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    #121 kenpoprofessor, Jan 19, 2013
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  2. How about the number of cops "OFF DUTY AND IN PLAIN CLOTHES" that intervene in crimes in progress? That is probably a better statistic to look at.


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  3. Well, are you waiting for something to show evidence of that, but also compared to any normal citizens who have done similar??? Can you empirically demonstrate that it's a higher number??? The caveat being, IN A SHALL ISSUE state, not in CA, NY, or nanny booboo state.

    Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

    Clyde
     
    #123 kenpoprofessor, Jan 19, 2013
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  4. Pretty much every industry and profession has their own industry representatives, whose function is to act on behalf of their members.

    The AMA acts on behalf of MDs.
    SAG acts on behalf of actors.

    Right now, there's the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo going on. Their focus is to better the work conditions of their members, not so that every adult in this country can have unfettered access to free adult entertainment.
     
  5. I don't believe any of the industries you mentioned are funded with tax payer funds.

    Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

    Clyde
     
  6. You don't think the medical industry earns a very nice portion of their money through medicare patients?
     
  7. Really, this is how you're going to debate this??? They are not funded by gov., though a "portion" of their money may come from gov. by proxy of a patient, they are not entirely funded by it.

    Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

    Clyde
     
  8. Debate what? Debate industry associations only represent their own members?

    Or debate how these industry associations are funded? If MDs get a "portion" of their income through medicare patients, and use their income to pay AMA dues, then the AMA is NOT funded, in part or wholly, by taxes?!?! Right?

    But if LEOs earn their income through their agencies, and use their income to pay their LE association dues, then the LE association is fully tax-payer funded? (How about LEOs who have side jobs in private industry or own their own business? How does that income get figured when paying their association dues?}


    And I guess the fact that many MDs, nurses, technicians are where they are today because they received their training through gov't funded hospital, clinics, programs, grants, scholarships, or that many techniques in use today were developed by the militaries (fully funded by the .gov) makes the medical profession 100-percent privately funded.

    OK.
     
    #128 Patchman, Jan 19, 2013
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  9. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

    Hey, man, just come right out and say it.

    "I pay your salary".

    Go ahead. You know you want to.

    Randy
     
  10. Where did you get this from? You really haven't a clue. If you are not post fact, don't post. It only adds to more miss information.

    Fact: the legislature left out the LE exemption for the two new sections added to PL 265.00, which cover mags. As of today only out of state police officers and sworn peace officers are exempt from carrying hi cap mags. Ref: PL 265.20', sub 11.

    I can guarantee they will add the fix very soon to 265.20, sub 1, ASAP, as they are getting beat up by both the press and police line organizations.

    Also, there is no distinction between off or on duty, we carry what's authorized and are not limited to less than what the firearm takes.
     
  11. To me it would be the retired LEOs who would be in limbo. They would probably have to also go with the 7-round limit because (as I understand it), they were previously limited to the 10-round mags.

    So now will Glock, Sig, Smith, etc... build special 7-round mags for just NY? I can't see that happening. Or is the reality going to be, you can use any mag you want, but can only load up to 7-rounds in it? (like the honor system?) :dunno:
     

  12. I am too old to remember, but did Glock make a pistol to meet the FEDERAL AWB back in 94?

    Also, no facetiousness here - how many cops here are active in gun rights organizations, how many write their congress-critters? Donate to the SAF, NRA-ILA? I don't know, so I ask.

    I'd like each and every one of you to do your 20/25 and enjoy life after that 20 for at least another 30.

    I admit I am selfish. It is my hope that retired LE do not get a special carry privilege (they don't get one now). Maybe those extra 10,000 voices would carry weight in the halls of Albany. Well, NYSP already issues it's own permits to retired NYSP MOS - they handle permits for their own. Our governor is a toolbag, With regards to his road map to the White House, I hope he's dinged himself in the nuts, face, foot and chest (complete figure of speech here).
     
  13. This whole 7-round thing is so bizarre, I don't even know how that number came about.

    I mean, with the previous NYS 10-round mag restriction, there was the Clinton national AWB which had the 10-round restriction. When that expired, NYS said, "OK, we're keeping it." I can see that logic flow.

    But this 7-round thing? This has as much logic flow as some GNGers' posts.
     
    #133 Patchman, Jan 19, 2013
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  14. I have to take exception to this. If you guys respond to an armed call, you have the luxury of backup with more guys showing up with firearms. In addition, most of you are equipped with body armor not available to civilians.
    If a civilian has to get in a shootout with the same bad guys, he gets hindered and endangered with an arbitrary law restricting his magazine capacity.
    I have to say that it is unfathomable why a rank and file law enforcement officer would begrudge a legally licensed, armed citizen from enjoying the exact same ability to defend himself that a law enforcement officer does.
    It stinks of elitism. This is the kind of attitude that creates a chasm between citizens and law enforcement.
    I would hope to see all LEOs close ranks with legal concealed license holders and insist that they be given the same consideration.
    In the end, all these bans ever do is make politicians feel better. You and I both know they are dog and pony shows. The AWB will create a vacuum that will be filled by fully automatic arms off the international arms market. We can't keep drugs or illegal aliens out of our country, what makes anyone think the guns won't pour in as soon as these laws are passed? I can point out several instances of this around the world.
    Never for a minute think that we the armed citizenry are against you. I have my heartburn with a lot of things in law enforcement, much of it directed at the admin and leadership. I know most street cops are great people doing a crappy job managing the human garbage we allow to roam our streets and terrorize our neighborhoods.
    Now is the time when all the pro-gun factions need to close ranks and present a united front against these abuses of power by the elected.
     
  15. razdog76

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    It is usually around 10% annually, according to the FBI... just saying
     
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  17. It is very clear to those of us who know and understand Cuomo, Bloomberg, and the rest of the anti-gun NY contingent.


    • For starters, let's ram thru a bill to law when people are not prepared for a discussion based on logic, but based on emotion. This is a sure sign of a manipulative prick.
    • Get in front of the parade, out do CA, MA, etc with mag limits
    • Pick a number for that is worse than where they are prepared to settle if this thing successfully litigates to their detriment, so at worst, the 10 round count is found to be reasonable
    • Pick a mag capacity that AUTOMATICALLY disqualifies most handguns that you already "hate" ("Glock"), and most of the rifles that you fear.
    • In five years use the same tired argument that more gun control is needed, reduce the number of rounds a mag can hold from 7 to 5. Surely, that would not be asking for much, and think of the lives that might will be saved!
     
  18. Make a $300 donation to the Gallium-Germanium Group of Lonely Elements and I might believe ya!:supergrin:

    (good stuff sir).
     
  19. razdog76

    razdog76 Heavy Mettle

    I for one, am not permitted to even write a letter to the local paper, without clearing it through the Sheriff.

    Even if it is deemed acceptable to have an opinion on a particular subject, if it is not the same as my Sheriff, who do you think will be on the poopoo list?

    ***Let the record reflect that my boss is pro gun***

    Having said that, what are you talking about in fighting for "citizens rights?" Unless we were in uniform, how would you know whether a person writing letters, contacting their legislators, contributing to the NRA was an LEO or not?

    It is very bad taste to conduct personal business in uniform.
     

  20. OK, so basically, a lot of the anti-LEO posters on GNG are on the same mental level as Cuomo, Bloomberg and company. Not surprised. :steamed:

    Gotcha. Thanks.
     
    #140 Patchman, Jan 19, 2013
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