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new uniform standards?

Discussion in 'The US Air Force Forum' started by griggrt, Jun 14, 2009.

  1. griggrt

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    I hear that it was announced but not yet published that while in uniform we can now walk and talk on the cell phone even if not official business...

    also we won't be blousing our BDU/ABU pant legs anymore but will tuck them into the boot.

    Can anyone confirm this?
     
  2. crazypilot

    crazypilot ERAU Alumni '05

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    Never heard of it. However, we at Nellis have to salute while in PT gear and we have to have our PT shirts tucked in.
     


  3. crazypilot

    crazypilot ERAU Alumni '05

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    Saw this on another forum:

    1. THE 98TH AF VIRTUAL UNIFORM BOARD CONVENED IN 2008. VOTING MEMBERS
    INCLUDED AIRMEN FROM ALL MAJCOMS AND MOST FUNCTIONAL COMMUNITIES.
    REPRESENTATIVES FROM AAFES, DSCP/DLA, THE AF UNIFORM OFFICE, AF/A1D AND
    AF/A4L ACTED AS NON-VOTING ADVISORS. BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FORWARDED
    TO THE AIR FORCE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR FINAL DECISION.

    2. APPROVED ITEMS ? EFFECTIVE AS INDICATED:

    A. DRESS (BLUE) UNIFORM
    1) ELIMINATE WEAR OF THE METAL RANK BY ENLISTED AIRMEN ON THE
    LIGHT WEIGHT BLUE JACKET; RANK MUST BE WORN USING ONLY THE
    CHEVRON RANK INSIGNIA SEWN ON THE SLEEVES; EFF: NLT 1 JAN 2010

    B. UTILITY UNIFORM (APPLIES TO ABUS, BDUS, AND DCUS)
    1) TROUSERS MUST BE TUCKED INTO BOOTS AND PRESENT A BLOUSED
    APPEARANCE AT ALL TIMES; EFF: IMMEDIATELY
    2) TUCK IN BOOT LACES; EXCESS BOOT LACES MAY BE WRAPPED AROUND
    THE BOOT AND TUCKED IN. NO ?BOWTIE? BOOT LACES; EFF:
    IMMEDIATELY
    3) MAJCOMS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE WEAR OF BLACK BOOTS WITH THE ABU ONLY IN
    INDUSTRIAL AREAS IAW 132024Z FEB 09 HQ USAF/A1 MESSAGE; EFF: AS PER
    REFERENCED MESSAGE, 13 FEB 2009
    4) ELIMINATE AUTHORITY TO ATTACH ORGANIZATIONAL CAP TO BDU TROUSER; EFF:
    IMMEDIATELY
    5) UPPER SLEEVE POCKET APPROVED FOR FIRE RESISTANT ABUS AUTHORIZED FOR, AND
    WORN ONLY IN, THE AOR

    C. ACCOUTREMENTS
    1) AUTHORIZE AIRMEN MEETING THE CRITERIA FOR, AND AWARDED
    THE US ARMY PARACHUTE RIGGERS BADGE PERMANENT WEAR OF THAT
    BADGE ON ALL AUTHORIZED UNIFORM COMBINATIONS. WHEN WEARING THE SUBDUED
    RIGGERS BADGE ON THE ABU/BDU, THE BADGE WILL BE BLUE (NOT BLACK).
    WHEN WEARING THE SUBDUED BADGE ON THE DCU, THE BADGE WILL BE BROWN.

    2) AUTHORIZE PERMANENT WEAR OF BLACK U.S. ARMY AIR ASSAULT BADGE ON THE
    BDU, REGARDLESS OF DUTY ASSIGNMENT, UPON GRADUATION FROM AIR ASSAULT SCHOOL

    3) AUTHORIZE WEAR OF THE AIR FORCE OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS DUTY
    BADGE ON THE SERVICE DRESS UNIFORM AND SUBDUED CLOTH DUTY BADGE ON THE ABU

    D. MISCELLANEOUS
    1) AUTHORIZE USE OF PERSONAL CELLULAR PHONES WHILE WALKING IN UNIFORM;
    CELLULAR PHONE MUST BE CONSERVATIVE IN COLOR; WEAR OF HANDS FREE DEVICES
    WHILE WALKING IN UNIFORM IS PROHIBITED; CELL PHONE MAY BE WORN ON EITHER THE
    LEFT OR RIGHT SIDE OF UNIFORM; MILITARY CUSTOMS AND COURTESIES APPLY AND
    TAKE PRECEDENCE

    3. APPROVED UNIFORM/DESIGN CHANGES. WEAR GUIDANCE AND EFFECTIVE DATES WILL
    BE PROVIDED IN SUPPLEMENTAL MESSAGES. NO ACTION REQUIRED BY MEMBERS AT THIS
    TIME:

    A.UTILITY UNIFORMS
    1) WEAR OF FOLIAGE GREEN FLEECE AS AN OUTER GARMENT WITH ABU
    2) A FLEECE LINER WITH THE ABILITY TO ZIP INTO THE APECS
    3) NCREASE LENGTH OF LOWER LEG POCKET ON ABU TROUSER 1/2 INCH
    4) CHANGE FEMALE ABU TROUSER FLY BUTTON?S TO MIRROR MALES
    5) ADD SMALL ABU NAME TAPE WITH LAST NAME TO POCKET FLAP ON
    ALL-PURPOSE ENVIRONMENTAL CLOTHING SYSTEM (APECS) LEFT SLEEVE
    6) ALTER ABU SLEEVE PEN POCKET 1/2 INCHTO PREVENT
    BREAKING WRITING UTENSILS OR PUNCTURES WHILE BENDING ARM

    B. PHYSICAL TRAINING GEAR
    1) REVISE CURRENT PT GEAR WEAR GUIDANCE TO REFLECT A MORE
    PROFESSIONAL IMAGE. MAKE STANDARDS MORE IN LINE WITH THE
    INTENT OF THE UNIFORM

    C. MATERNITY UNIFORM
    1) AUTHORIZE AN ADDITION OF SIDE BUTTONS THAT UNFOLD A SMALL
    PORTION OF THE MATERNITY ABU TROUSER.

    4. DEFERRED ITEMS AND ITEMS THAT BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, BUT REQUIRE
    FURTHER RESEARCH AND/OR DEVELOPMENT. IF ANY ITEM IS LATER APPROVED BY CSAF,
    WEAR GUIDANCE AND EFFECTIVE DATES WILL BE PROVIDED IN SUPPLEMENTAL MESSAGES;
    NO ACTION REQUIRED BY MEMBERS AT THIS TIME:

    A. UTILITY UNIFORM
    1) WEAR OF GREEN CREW NECK SWEATER SIMILAR TO MARINE CORPS
    UNDER THE ABU
    B. MATERNITY UNIFORM
    1) ADJUST MATERNITY ABU TO MIRROR REGULAR POCKET PLACEMENT
    C. ACCOUTREMENTS
    1) OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO COMMAND AND CONTROL (C2) NODES TO WEAR
    THE C2 BADGE IF APPROVED FOR AWARD BY THE FUNCTIONAL AUTHORITY

    5. DISAPPROVALS:
    A. THE FOLLOWING INITIATIVES WERE DISAPPROVED:
    1) OPTIONAL FLIGHT CAP W/VENTING
    2) CORFAM/PATENT LEATHER LOW QUARTERS IN CLOTHING BAG
    3) FEMALE AIRMEN TO WEAR MALE BLUE PANTS
    4) MAKING LOOSER FITTING SERVICE DRESS TROUSERS
    5) CONNECTED STARS FOR 2, 3, AND 4 STAR GENERAL OFFICERS
    6) BODY SUIT STYLE SERVICE DRESS BLOUSE FOR FEMALE AIRMEN
    7) AUTHORIZE ONLY LOW QUARTERS AND BOOTS FOR FEMALE AIRMEN
    WEARING SERVICE DRESS UNIFORMS
    8) AUTHORIZE WEAR OF ADDITIONAL OCCUPATIONAL BADGE 1.5? BELOW
    WELT POCKET ON SERVICE DRESS COAT (THE WEAR OF ONE BADGE IN THAT
    LOCATION IS STILL AUTHORIZED)
    9) MALE ?PRINCE CUT? SERVICE DRESS SHIRT SIMILAR TO FEMALE
    ?PRINCESS CUT? SERVICE DRESS SHIRT
    10) WEAR OF SILVER ?TERM OF SERVICE? STRIPES ON LOWER RIGHT
    SLEEVE/CUFF AND ORANGE BRAID ?DISCHARGE STRIPE? ON THE SERVICE
    DRESS UNIFORM
    11) OFFICER BLACK ?GRADE? STRIPES ON LOWER SLEEVE/CUFF OF
    SERVICE COAT (1=LT-CAPT; 2=MAJ-COL; 3=GEN OFFICER)
    12) WEAR OF ALL, SOME, OR NO RIBBONS ON SERVICE DRESS UNIFORM;
    I.E, AIRMEN MUST CONTINUE TO WEAR ALL
    13) LONGEVITY STRIPES (HASH MARKS) ON SLEEVE OF SERVICE DRESS
    AND MESS DRESS UNIFORMS
    14) WEAR OF CREW NECK UNDERSHIRT W/ANY COMBINATION OF SERVICE
    DRESS UNIFORM
    15) REPLACE BLUE TIE/TIE TAB WITH BLACK HERRINGBONE TIE/TIE TAB
    16) SMALL BOW TIE TO REPLACE FEMALE TIE TAB ON MESS DRESS
    17) ?BILLY MITCHELL? STYLE COAT W/FULL SIZE MEDALS AS
    MESS DRESS UNIFORM/ELIMINATE SEMI-FORMAL UNIFORM
    18) WEAR OF AMERICAN FLAG ON THE ABU/DCU/BDU
    19) BOONIE HAT W/ABU AND BDU IN ALL GARRISON AND DEPLOYED
    LOCATIONS (IAW AFI 36-2903, TAB 1.1, THEATER COMMANDERS
    PRESCRIBE FOR THEATER OF OPERATIONS)
    20) DELETE REQUIREMENT TO BLOUSE UTILITY UNIFORM TROUSERS (SEE
    ITEM 2.B.1 ABOVE, TROUSERS MUST BE TUCKED INTO BOOTS)
    21) WEAR OF BRIGHT NON-SUBDUED GRADE INSIGNIA ON ABU CAP IN
    NON-DEPLOYED LOCATIONS (ONLY SUBDUED PIN-ON OR SEW-ON RANK
    AUTHORIZED)
    22) WEAR OF PIN-ON OCCUPATIONAL BADGES ON ABUS FOR EASE OF
    SANITIZING/CHANGING BADGES
    23) WEAR OF ENLISTED RANK ON ABU COLLAR LAPEL
    24) WEAR OF SIX-POINT UTILITY CAP
    25) PERMANENT REDUCTION OF SLEEVE LENGTH OF ABU (ACCOMPLISHED
    BY MANUFACTURER)
    26) VELCRO IN PLACE OF BUTTONS ON ABU
    27) SLANTED CHEST POCKETS ON ABU
    28) ONE PIECE UTILITY UNIFORM (SIMILAR TO FLT SUIT) TO REPLACE ABU
    29) WEAR OF BERET WITH ABU BY ALL AIRMEN (AFSCS CURRENTLY
    AUTHORIZED TO WEAR BERET MAINTAIN AUTHORIZATION IAW 36-2903)
    30) EMBROIDERED NAME ON ABU VICE NAME TAPE
    31) WEAR OF ORGANIZATIONAL CAPS WITH ABU
    32) BLACK SOCKS WITH ABU (SAGE GREEN SOCKS MUST BE WORN WITH
    THE SAGE GREEN BOOT; TAN OR SAGE SOCKS MUST BE WORN WITH THE
    TAN BOOT UNTIL 2011)
    33) REMOVE TWO LOWER POCKETS ON ABU BLOUSE (TOP)
    34) WEAR OF BLUE BELT WITH ABUS
    35) REMOVE THIRD ABU CUFF BUTTON, REPLACE OTHER CUFF BUTTON
    WITH HOOK AND LOOP VELCRO FASTENERS
    36) ADD NAME TAPE SIMILAR TO ABU NAMETAPE TO BACK OF ABU HAT
    37) WEAR OF UNIT PATCHES ON ABU (TO INCLUDE SISTER SERVICE PATCHES)
    38) WEAR OF ARMY LIGHT GREEN FLEECE WATCH CAP WITH THE ABU
    39) DISALLOW SEWING DOWN POCKETS ON ABU (THIS MEANS AIRMEN
    ARE STILL AUTHORIZED TO SEW THEM DOWN)
    40) WEAR OF ABU CAP WITH ELASTIC BAND
    41) ALLOW WEAR OF WATCH CAP WITH ABUS ALONE, VICE WITH APECS
    (OUTER GARMENTS ARE STILL REQUIRED WITH THE BLACK WATCH CAP)
    42) PEN POCKET ON RIGHT SLEEVE OF ABU FOR LEFT-HANDED AIRMEN
    43) SMALL POCKET ON ABU TO ACCOMMODATE COMMON ACCESS CARD
    44) METAL ZIPPER IN LIEU OF BUTTONS ON ABU TROUSER FLY & BLOUSE
    45) ELASTIC BANDS INSIDE BOTTOM OF TROUSERS OF ABU FOR BLOUSING
    46) WEAR OF WEAPONS SCHOOL PATCH ON ABUS
    47) CREATE ABU FIELD JACKET
    48) BLACK LETTERING VICE BLUE ON NAMETAPE/USAF/OCCUPATIONAL
    BADGES WORN ON ABU
    49) PERMANENT WEAR OF TAN BOOTS VICE SAGE GREEN BOOTS
    50) PIXILATED BACKGROUND FOR ENLISTED RANK ON ABU AND
    ELIMINATE CREASED RANK
    51) GREEN UNDERSHIRT WITH ABU
    52) BLUE POLAR FLEECE JACKET WITH ABU
    53) TAN GLOVES WITH ABU (BLACK AND SAGE GREEN GLOVES ARE
    AUTHORIZED WITH APPROPRIATE OUTER GARMENTS)
    54) WEAR OF BLACK OR DARK BLUE (MATCHING LETTERING ON
    NAMETAPE, ETC) UNDERSHIRT WITH ABU
    55) WEAR OF COMMANDER?S INSIGNIA ON ABU
    56) OLIVE GREEN/BEIGE/TAN BERET IN GARRISON AND MULTI-POINT HAT
    WITH ABU WHILE DEPLOYED
    57) INTERIM WEAR OF DCU UNTIL MANDATORY WEAR DATE OF ABU
    58) WEAR OF SPACE BADGE ON UTILITY UNIFORMS
    59) REPLACE PIERCED STAR ON ENLISTED CHEVRONS WITH ?US? INSIGNIA
    FOR AIRMAN TIER; RESERVE PIERCED STAR FOR NCOS
    60) WEAR OF FIRST SERGEANT INSIGNIA (DIAMOND) IN THE SAME
    MANNER AS COMMANDER?S INSIGNIA
    61) DELETE OPTION TO WEAR COMMANDER?S INSIGNIA AS GRADUATED
    COMMANDER
    62) REPLACE CURRENT PT PANTS WITH SNAP/TEAR AWAY PANTS THAT
    CAN BE ALSO USED AS SHORTS (REMOVABLE LOWER LEG)
    63) BLACK SOCKS WITH PT GEAR
    64) HOOD OF PT JACKET SAME AS HOOD ON APECS
    65) ZIP OPEN VENTS BELOW POCKETS ON BOTH SIDES OF PT PANTS
    66) SILK-FITTED HEADSCARVES WITH PT GEAR
    67) REPLACE REFLECTIVE ?V? ON BACK OF PT JACKET WITH AF SYMBOL
    68) REMOVE ELASTIC WAIST BAND ON PT JACKET
    69) CREATION OF MATERNITY PT UNIFORM
    70) ALLOW RETIRED/CIVILIAN MEMBERS TO WEAR PT GEAR WITHOUT
    REGARD TO GROOMING STANDARDS
    71) AUTHORIZE BEARD/GOATEE WITH SAME INTENT AS MUSTACHE;
    NEATLY TRIMMED AND TASTEFUL
    72) WEAR OF SQUARE DIAMOND EARRINGS FOR FEMALE AIRMEN
    73) ALLOW AIRMEN STATIONED OVERSEAS TO HAVE DOUBLE THE HAIR
    LENGTH AND BULK CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED
    74) RESTRICT FINGERNAIL LENGTH TO NO LONGER THAN TIP OF FINGER
    75) REVISIT SUPPLEMENTAL CLOTHING ALLOWANCE PAYMENT TO
    INDIVIDUALS IN SPECIAL DUTY POSITIONS NO LONGER REQUIRED
    ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE DUE TO LOW MAINTENANCE OF ABU
    76) AUTHORIZE AIRMEN TO WEAR EARNED SISTER SERVICE
    PATCHES/BADGES ON ABU WHEN OPERATING WITH SISTER SERVICES

    6. THIS MESSAGE PROVIDES CSAF APPROVED CHANGES TO CURRENT AIR FORCE
    UNIFORMS AND UNIFORM POLICY RESULTING FROM THE 98TH AIR FORCE VIRTUAL
    UNIFORM BOARD. THE CHANGES WILL BE CODIFIED IN AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION
    36-2903, DRESS AND PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF AIR FORCE PERSONNEL. ANY
    QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH YOUR LOCAL CHAIN OF COMMAND/MAJCOM
    POINTS OF CONTACT
     
  4. crazypilot

    crazypilot ERAU Alumni '05

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    I'm glad a lot of the crap was disapproved. We'll see if ACC let us wear the black boots with our ABUs. If they do, I can see Nellis AFB creating another supplement (forbiding us from doing it). That would be supplement 1,000,000,001.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2009
  5. Ralff

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    So you can't blouse your pants anymore? I prefer blousing them over tucking.


    Some of the disapproved items made me laugh. :supergrin:
     
  6. Glock21Owner

    Glock21Owner NRA Life Member

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  7. DLL66

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    It is now AFI 36-2903.
     
  8. finz50

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    It's offical, what you were told is true.
     
  9. Bevo1

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    That's funny. I haven't heard 35-10 in 12 years.
    Used to hear it every day (SP)
     
  10. usafric

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    Just got an messagel today, that the uniform board has put on hold the tucking in of the ABU's. We are to contue blousing them until further guidance and instructions come out informing us of "how to tuck them in, while keeping a bloused appearance".

    It's time I retired, stupid bloody **** they keep making up... Why not design a "utility uniform" that can be worn in combat. The ABU's are not to be worn while on a convoy in a war zone. And, they are too hot in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    And, whats the deal with the PT ubiform, someone PLEASE help the uniform board out...

    Nuf said.
     
  11. meeko

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    The U.S. Air Force. 60 plus years untouched by tradition!!!!!!!!
     
  12. CPT_CRUNCH

    CPT_CRUNCH P.O.W.

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    should have approved the body suit!
     
  13. TomZ

    TomZ Lifetime Member

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    I never understood the BDU thing to begin with. In 1974 we had cotton fatigues, then Perma-Pess fatigues. Both were more pratical than BDU's. In a field, combat enviornment BDU's make sense. They don't work well on the flightline, climbing in and out of restricted spaces. All those pockets are just another place for FOD. I advocated a maintenance AFSC one-piece uniform. It makes sense for those who maintain aircraft.
     
  14. wrenrj1

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    Being Army I always tucked in my boots. What's the problem with doing so? Hasn't the Air Force realized that blousing has been cutting off blood circulation to your brains?
     
  15. Ralff

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    Seems there is a reason you were Army and not AF ...
     
  16. afcop724

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    Another reason is tucking in his pt shirt or adding a pocket protector is not high on his list of concerns. I'm suprised the air force did not approve buisness suits and do away with uniforms. I swear the best part of my enlistment was spent attached to the Army.
     
  17. deadday

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    :wavey:
     
  18. Sam White

    Sam White I miss you bud Silver Member

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    I don't get why ABUs can't be tucked, but I was in the Army.

    Also, I don't know about anyone else but I was always taught not to tie excess boot laces around the top of my boots. Apparently, this is how it's done in the AF.

    Half of the folks on my base came from other services before joining the ANG, so we have an assortment of ways to wear the Air Force uniform...
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2009
  19. Ralff

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    I tuck my laces. Don't want to bother tying them around or anything like that, and don't want them hanging free as that looks a little sloppy.

    I don't see why they can't allow you to tuck your pants OR blouse them. The appearance is the same with no functional difference. I prefer to blouse personally, as it's more comfortable for me. I'm also still wearing BDU's because I'm stubborn. :supergrin: No reason to put wear on new ABU's until I have to!
     
  20. geneSW

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    Actually, according to 36-2903, page 27, number 6 on that page. " Secure BDU pant legs around or in the uppermost portion of combat boot so the fabric of the lower exposed pant leg blouses over the top edge of the combat boot."

    This is no way states that the pants must actually be bloused, but that they must be secured in such a way that they go over the top edge of the boot. So if you tuck your pants into the boots and give them a blowed appearance....