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New to reloading 9x18...?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by atakawow, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. atakawow

    atakawow

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    Hello all,

    First of, I am new to reloading. I've been reading here and there for the last week and have decided to purchase a Lee 50th anniversary kit. Does the kit come with a case trimmer? I read the descriptions of it and seems like it does but I just want to make sure. I mainly want to trim down 9x19 case to 18.

    Also, any source I can find that stocks cheap 9x18 lead bullets?

    Thanks.
     

  2. Hydraulicman

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    look at the ammosmith.com site .

    he has a video on how to convert 9*19 to 9*18
     
  3. CTSixshot

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    Don't discount the readily available S&B or Prvi Partizan loadings and you can have a source of Mak brass all ready to reload as is. Make sure you buy .364/5" fodder, not .356"

    Limited offerings out there for cast bullets, but here is one:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=319163

    Lee, Lyman, Saeco, Hensley & Gibbs and probably a few others make molds for the Makarov bullet, too.
     
  4. Walking Softly

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    atakawow,
    For lead bulllets try King Shooters Supply, in King of Prussia, PA http://www.betterbullets.com

    9x18 bullets are $30.19/500

    I've loaded tens of thousands of their bullets without any problems. They cast their own bullets, which are lubed and sized. Also they will ship USPS flat rate, $10 for 4 boxes of 500 rounds each.
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2010
  5. atakawow

    atakawow

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    Thanks for the replies.

    What is the most economical but functional hand crank case trimmer out there? I reload only pistol and don't think I will use it a lot except for trimming 9x19 to 9x18. I see that Lee has a hand twist one but it looks like it won't work.
     
  6. mjallen66

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    FWIW, I have the Lee Zip Trim you were referring to, and have always been very pleased with it. I use it to trim .308 brass to size (I trim every reload fro rifle brass) and have never had any problems at all.

    It doesn't look like much, and the plastic construction seems anticlimactic, but after 2 years and about 4000 rounds later it's still going strong. Its definitely a $25 I don't regret spending.
     
  7. BC Dan

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    You can't trim a 9x19mm (9mm Luger) cartridge to make a 9x18mm (9mm Makarov). The bullet diameter of the 9x18 is not the same, Maks use bullets that are .364" instead of the normal 9mm .355".
     
  8. atakawow

    atakawow

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    Last I heard, both the 9x19 and 9x18 use the same case diameter. The 9x19, however, is tapered to take a smaller diameter bullet. I've read many folks have done this and with great success.
     
  9. BC Dan

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    Interesting. I guess the diameter of the cases is close enough to work? I can certainly see why it would be an advantage to use 9mm luger, 9x18 brass is impossible to find and danged expensive when you find it. I have a friend with a Makarov, the pistol is seldom fired because of the lack of ammo. Do you trim the Luger brass to length, then resize/decap using a Makarov die? Are there issues with splitting at the case mouth?

    I use a hand crank Lyman trimmer for rifle brass, but for the amount you will be trimming, I'm betting you get tired of cranking in short order. The Lyman has an electric option that can be added, but kind of spendy (about 300 bucks for the trimmer with electric option).
     
  10. atakawow

    atakawow

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    Quick update:

    So I gave up on the idea of reloading for 9x18 :faint:. It was a PITA to trim down 9x19 cases. Took forever to trim down one case with a Lyman universal hand trimmer. I trimmed down about 40-50 cases and realized that there is no point in doing this.

    I might end up just buying the darn Starline brass, but then that sort of defeats the purpose of why I started reloading in the first place. Brass $150 + Primers $38 + bullets $50 + Powder $22 + time spent = $260.00 for 1000 rounds :faint:. Cost is WAY WAY more than to buy commercial Bear stuff...
     
  11. I have enough 9x19 cases trimmed to be quite happy. Took me around an hour to do 150 cases. Once a week I did it until I had enough built up.
     
  12. WiskyT

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    The brass can be reused at least 10 times assuming you can find all of it. Brass is free when you consider that it can be found for free on the ground, modified with minimal effort, and used over and over.
     
  13. atakawow

    atakawow

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    May I ask what case trimmer you used? The hand crank Lyman Universial didn't work for me, took way too long. Maybe I'll try to find like a powered drill adapter for it or something.

    By the way, I just loaded a batch of 9x18 using the cases that I've trimmed. The Lee load manual lists the MAX OAL at .980 in. The batch that I reloaded ranges from .969 to .977. Are they safe to shoot? What is the minimum OAL of a 9x18 round should be?

    Thanks
     
  14. WiskyT

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    I don't load 9x18, so I can't help you there. I think the Lee, or maybe it was another brand, of trimmer can be chucked in a variable speed drill. RCBS and others make a trim die that lets you file or hacksaw off the extra length. Get a chamfer/deburring tool while you're at it.

    ETA: I don't think a few 0.001" matters. If you use start load data, it definately doesn't matter. If you use start load data and a heavier recoil spring, the brass will land nice and close to you and you'll get more of it back. Lighter loads will be easier on the gun too.
     
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  15. I use a lee trimmer chucked into a drill and the round ball cutter grip. Works fairly well. Takes more time to put the brass in the case holder then it does to cut them down.