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New to reloading, .308 won't size.

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Foxtrotx1, Apr 23, 2011.

  1. Foxtrotx1

    Foxtrotx1

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    Using lee thigh master, Lyman spray lube. Lee .308 dies. Cleaned cases, not mil spec brass, lubed inside of neck, inside of die, everywhere. let lube dry. attempted to size. 2 full grown men are unable to close the grips together.

    Already removed 3 stuck cases. So far reloading is pissing me off.

    Please help.
     
  2. unclebob

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    First loading with a Lee thigh master would piss me off also.
    Did you spray the case let dry and spray again? And let dry again? I have never used the Lyman spray. But you might want to try a different lube. Stuck case means there is not enough lube on the case. But then if you over do it? You well get dented cases.
     


  3. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    If the wife/girlfriend, or you, has any type of body lotion with lanolin in it put a dab on your fingers and roll the case between them. Be very sparing on the shoulders or as the old man said you'll end up with dents.

    You'll either have to tumble the brass to remove the lube after sizing or simply use a damp rag.

    Clean your sizing die of the lube you put in there, it'll dry and make sizing harder plus build up and cause dents.


    Jack
     
  4. 390ish

    390ish

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    use some imperial sizing wax. one tin will last you a few years.
     
  5. fredj338

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    I agree w/ UB, the Lee thighmaster is barely reloading. Come on man, it's the 21st century! They were using sim tools back in the 1800s! Read & follow the nstructions well on the Lyman spray. The Hornady must be dry to work, don't know about the Lyman. Also, what gun were the cases fired in? I have seen some pretty swolllen cases fired in open bolt guns or M1s. No way that is getting done on anything but a single stage press.
     
  6. Foxtrotx1

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    Fired from an M1A. Thanks for the advice guys :wavey:
     
  7. fredj338

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    Yeah, sometimes the chambers get a bit oversize, depending on the gun. Makes resizing a *****. Get a cheap ss press, even the Lee will do a beter job w/ some leverage.
     
  8. I think you are asking too much from the thigh master. I couldn't even resize 308 on my LNL AP and had to buy a Lee Classic Cast. I suggest you do the same.
     
  9. Foxtrotx1

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    Well the die is a loss. Brass will not come out. Penetrating oil and wood block/hammer be damned. Maybe ill just reload 9mm.
     
  10. hoffy

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    if money is an object, the cheapest Lee bench press is not that much and will work, I agree with those who suggest you are asking a lot of the thigh master. A very tight and poor friend bought one years ago and we made a jig with a 4x4 post, cut a slot just wide enough to hold the press so you could stomp on the other lever, but it was a pain, and he eventually bought the cheap bench press which worked fine for what he needed... he gave it to me and I am going to set up a buddy to load nothing but 22 Hornets in it....
     
  11. Colorado4Wheel

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    Buy some real equipment. Even a cheap lee press is better then what you got. Good equipment is worth the investment.
     
  12. EL_NinO619

    EL_NinO619 EX-Swage Monkey

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    There is a tad more to reloading for .308 esp M1A. You should have spent 20more bucks and got the LEE breech lock press. I suggest you get a new press and more knowledge about reloading before you make any further moves..
     
  13. dbarry

    dbarry Silver Member

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    I use lyman spray lube. You dont have to let it dry, I think the can says 30 seconds. Good stuff, just got to make sure you dry or tumble the cases or you could wind up with dud primers. As others have said, rifle resizing is probably asking a bit much for a hand press. Don't give up on the die. Unthread the decapper clamp (it holds your decapping pin) and remove it. Put the die in a vise (between wood blocks lest you booger the threads) and after spraying WD40, Rem-oil, or other lubricant in the die, smack the decapper with a brass hammer. If you dont have one use a hard piece of wood like oak or ash. I've had to do this a few times when I didn't get the case lubed enough and it got stuck. Midwayusa also has a more elegant tool for removing stuck cases, but this method mentioned above has removed stuck cases for me in the past.
     
  14. dudel

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    Lots of pain there. Several options as I see it.

    1) If the brass is going into the same rifle that shot them, then neck size only. It's a lot less effort, you can get carbide sizers, no need for lube.

    2) Put some pipes on the thighmaster to increase your leverage.

    3) Try a different lube. Imperial or Midway/Dillons spray lube

    4) Get a small dedicated press for your sizing tasks. Note that too small a press isn't going to be fun either.
     
  15. dudel

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    Not so fast. Did the base rip off? If so, get between the brass and the die. Keep working iit away from the die on two side (bending the brass in), then use needlenose to pull it out with a twisting motion. If the base is still there, and you have Lee or Hornady sizing dies, loosen the collet that holds the decapping rod, and drive the case out. Lee and Hornady feature a built-in stuck case remover.
     
  16. unclebob

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    You still need to use lube when using rifle carbide dies.
     
  17. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Normally, I'd agree, but not if it's going back into an auto loader like an M1A.


    And since I spent like 4 minutes on this, I'd like to get some more mileage out of it.

    [​IMG]


    :tongueout:
     
  18. sig357fan

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    I'd have to agree in reguards to an auto loader........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................and adding mileage to Zombie Steve's Team Lee!

    :tongueout:
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2011
  19. dudel

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    Correct if full lenght sizing. Not needed for carbide neck sizers.
     
  20. banjobob

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    Most spray lubes I've used suck, the exception is Dillon's. Remember good tools make good work or another way to put it "buy crap, get crap"