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New to AR's - Need Optic Help

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by MississipVol, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. MississipVol


    Apr 13, 2012
    Help me make my next purchase PLEASE!!! :)

    I am new to AR's and working on shooting with my iron sights but also trying to decide on my 1st optic for my brand new Colt LE6920-MP.

    I have narrowed it down to 2 completely different "scopes":

    The Vortex Strikefire Red/Green Dot

    Pros - Only costs $170 which includes the mount and a 2X magnifier so I could get before Christmas. Great reviews on Amazon and talked to several people that have one and they all like it and don't regret the purchase. Would probably work for most purposes.

    Cons - I don't have the greatest eyesight and MAY want to use my AR for deer hunting so is a 1X red dot enough??

    The Burris MTAC 1-4X24 with illuminated ballistic CQ reticle

    Pros - True 1X and up to 4X so I could get a better view of targets and would come in very handy if I wanted to stretch my target distance (or use to deer hunt). Clear glass. Has great eye relief for a scope and an illuminated ballistic reticle that is easy to pick up.

    Cons - costs $399 and would probably get a Burris PEPR mount thats another $100 - so at $500 I would probably have to wait until after Christmas at least to purchase. The Burris is also longer than I wanted on my AR at 11.3" and would prevent use of my back folding sight.

    So should I go ahead and get the Vortex strikefire and only get a scope later down the road if I think I need it? (Could possible use the vortex elsewhere).

    OR - Should I continue saving and get the Burris MTAC knowing it would be all I would ever need?

    Some of you experienced guys - please help me with your advice! Thanks!!!
  2. bmoore


    Jan 15, 2006
    Under a regime.
    The Vortex red/green does not get nearly bright enough for outside use. If you are set a on a Vortex strikefire get the red only version, it is much brigther. I had a Vortex Strikfire, it was a fine optic for the money. I now have an EOTech EXPS2-0. My advice would be wait until you can buy an EOTech or Aimpoint PRO. I have zero experience with 1-4 optics. Don't go cheap on your optics, you will be glad you bought quality years down the road.
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012

  3. mvician

    mvician Lifetime Member

    Jun 8, 2007
    NW Indiana
    Do you want or need magnification?

    1-4x scopes are big/heavy. Do you want that extra weight?

    Red and get the Aimpoint. The PRO is $400 with mount.
  4. MississipVol


    Apr 13, 2012
    Actually, I am not entirely sure I NEED the magnification but I am thinking if I try to place a shot on a deer 200 yards away I probably would.
  5. AZ Cat

    AZ Cat

    Aug 14, 2010
    I've wrestled with the same issue. I suspect that for your use you'll find the 1x4 to be a better and more useful choice. For most of us red-dots are fun but not as practical as a more traditional scope.

    All that said, I've owned many Vortex products and they are simply outstanding. The equal of competitors that are twice the price. Excellent glass, very well built and the best warranty ever (double check to make sure it applies to red dots). For a but more (I think $200-ish) you can get their Sparc red dot which compares to the Aimpoint PRO but at a substantial discount.

    Sent from my DROID Pro using Tapatalk 2
  6. Jeremy_K


    Apr 6, 2009
    I have the red/green Strikefire on my AR. I have no problems shooting in broad daylight out to 200 yards. The dot will cover a 10" target at 200 yards about the size of a pie plate. Granted, I can get a decent group with the right ammo @ 200, I wouldn't prefer this optic for deer hunting. Not to mention that a .223 isn't the optimal round for deer hunting(IMO). The field of view sucks on any dot scope too. The Nikon P-223 3-9x scope looks like it would be a nice scope for the AR. It's basically a Nikon Pro Staff with target turrets and BDC reticle set up for the .223 round. I will probably end up getting one to use from time to time and swap out the red dot. The P-223 is not much more than the Vortex either.
  7. MississipVol


    Apr 13, 2012
    I don't do very much deer hunting at all and, with this being my only rifle, its pretty much my only option if I go. However, I know not to try to take a deer if its much farther than 200 yds.

    I have looked at the Nikon and really like it but it doesn't have the illuminated reticle of the Burris and with the bottom magnification of 3X, I would probably have to get a mini red dot to use with it anyway.

    Its the fact that i will only go deer hunting once or twice a year that has me thinking I should only get a red dot but I am still unsure.
  8. +1 That's good advice.
  9. cpham9006


    Aug 10, 2011
    So the question boils down to this...which one? EOTech or Aimpoint Pro?

    I hear positives about both...I took a look at the Aimpoint Pro and was a little turned off by the flip up lens cover.
  10. bigmoney890


    Nov 8, 2011
    Boone, NC
    While they are both great optics, the Aimpoint is supposed to be more rugged. The Aimpoint also has way better battery life.

    I personally like the Eotech reticle. If Aimpoint made a reticle like Eotech, i'd be all over it like stupid on Pam Anderson!
  11. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Amarillo, Tx
    I went with the EOTech EXPS2 because I shoot more quickly and accurately at longer distances than I did with the H1 I sold to buy it. Mine works perfectly, doesn't drain batteries when it's off or any of that. I'm sure my opinion would be different if I got a lemon.
  12. MississipVol


    Apr 13, 2012
    You guys make some great red dot suggestions.

    So I guess my bottom line point it...with what I described in my two earlier posts ITT, should I go with a 1-4X24 scope that has an illuminated ballistic CQ reticle ~OR~ a red dot sight like an EOTech or Aimpoint?
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012
  13. bmoore


    Jan 15, 2006
    Under a regime.
    Depends on what you want, you should try both before buying. I prefer EOTech.
  14. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Amarillo, Tx
    I really like some of the high end low power variables, but at your budget I'd get an EOTech or Aimpoint.
  15. K. Foster

    K. Foster

    Feb 19, 2002
    For a multitude of uses a low power variable like the MTAC is going to be more versatile than just a red dot.
    But if you are going to get a RDS, save for an Aimpoint.
  16. catalyst686


    Apr 13, 2010
    Like everyone else here has said, save up and get an eotech or aimpoint. Buy once cry once.
  17. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

    May 15, 2010
    NW Florida
    Aimpoint PRO.

    Also, I would't suggest using .223 for deer at anything except VERY close range (sub-50 yards) just to help ensure a quick and clean kill. Then again, I personally wouldn't hunt deer with anything below .30 caliber.

    Hogs, on the other hand....
  18. TexAg


    Jun 26, 2004
    Burris TAC 30? Got mine for $280 and its very clear with the illumination capable of super bright.
  19. Walt_NC


    Aug 25, 2010
    Excellent advice.


    IMO, you can't beat the eotech for rapid acquisition in CQB-distance engagements and shooting with NVG's. The Aimpoints strength is its battery life. You can leave it on and go half a deployment without having to worry about changing batteries. Neither is going to allow you to shoot minute-of-angle groups, but both are more than capable of shooting minute-of-dude out to 200-250m, guys tend to get lost behind the dot past that.

    I prefer eotechs for work but do have an old M68 (aimpoint) mounted on my pig gun.

    Regardless, put your hands on all of your options do you can make an informed decision. Good luck!
  20. Hour13

    Hour13 Tah-dah!

    Aug 21, 2011
    San Antonio, TX
    Not trying to start a war here... but this? ^^^

    I agree that the Vortex optics are GREAT for the money. For a range/practice gun, even for HD, I'd trust it.

    But I've owned quite a few red-dots. Currently enjoying having a Vortex Strikefire, and it's "equal" the Aimpoint CompM2.

    Though the controls are god-awful, I do like the Strikefire. It will serve the needs of alot of people just fine.

    But anyone who believes that with an Aimpoint or Eotech, you're just paying for the name? Sadly delusional, or has likely never owned one.

    Had both, personally prefer Aimpoint over EOtech. But they're both excellent. Tough as nails, true parallux-free operation, well thought out controls. Will absolutely do what they need to do in the worst conditions.

    Value has nothing to do with price, it's what you're getting for the hard earned greenbacks you're shelling out.

    Aimpoint & Eotech make "combat" worthy optics. You can beat the crap out of them, and they keep on kicking(something to think about if you plan to drag it through the woods on hunting trips).

    Do you need a "combat" RDS? Only you know the answer to that.

    If not, the Vortex line is a good value.

    If so, IMO the best bargains you'll ever find will be the Aimpoint PRO, followed closely by the EOtech 512.

    Last edited: Sep 27, 2012