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New Marine Corps 1911

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by polizei1, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. polizei1

    polizei1 It WAS Quack

    Feb 3, 2009
    Cincinnati, OH
    Taken from

    Here is the story if you don't want to read below:

    "I didn't see the following article from The Marine Corps Times posted so thought I'd share it. The writer references the Shot Show, so it appears to be a recent article.

    The battle for a new .45 cal. pistol

    2 handgun prototypes move to the fore in Corps’ search for a fresh .45
    cal. weapon
    By Dan Lamothe

    LAS VEGAS — The competition to provide Marine special operators with new
    .45-caliber semiautomatic pistols is beginning to take shape, with at least
    two companies submitting samples to the Marine Corps, and others bowing

    Colt Defense, of Hartford, Conn., and Springfield Armory, of Geneseo,
    Ill., sent samples of their lat est 1911 pistols to acquisition officers
    fall, company officials said Jan. 18 during the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor
    Trade Show and Conference, known as SHOT Show, in Las Vegas. The Corps is
    expected to seek proposals from the defense industry soon.

    The M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistol is modeled after earlier versions of
    the semi-automatic 1911 pistol used since the 1980s by Force Reconnaissance
    units. The Corps could buy between 400 and 12,000 as part of a contract
    worth up to $22.5 million, according to Marine Corps Systems Command.
    versions were called the MEU (SOC) pistol, short for Marine expeditionary
    unit (special operations capable). Weapons experts at Marine Corps Base
    tico, Va., have hand-assembled 1911 pistols chambered for .45 caliber
    Automatic Colt Pistol ammo for years, fielding them primarily to Force Recon
    Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command.

    With both communities growing, however, the Corps is seeking an
    off-the-shelf option.

    Force Recon was brought back in 2008 after a two-year hiatus designed to
    help the Corps stand up and round out MARSOC. The Corps’ special operations
    command was activated in 2006, and is working to grow to about 2,700
    personnel by 2014.

    The Corps hasn’t said that the next-generation pistol must be a 1911-style
    model, but industry sources at SHOT Show said they assume it will be. The
    next weapon ideally will fire with the Corps’ existing .45-caliber pistol
    magazines, Marine officials said.

    Colt tweaked its 01070RG rail gun pistol and sent 10 prototypes to
    Quantico in the fall, said Greg Rozon, a product development engineering
    at Colt.

    The civilian 1911 rail gun usual ly has a stainless steel finish and
    rosewood grips, but Colt’s proto types for the Corps have a desert color
    finish, eliminating glare on the weapon and making it less identifiable at
    a distance. They also have more stainless steel internal components to
    reduce corrosion. They’re equipped with a popular night sight made by Novak
    Parkers burg, W.Va. It utilizes tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen,
    to power the optic, which is mounted on a Picatinny rail.

    Springfield Armory sent the Corps six copies of its PX9105ML pistol for
    evaluation, said Larry Collinson, a production manager with the company.
    company calls it the Full-Sized MC Opera tor, with the “MC” standing for
    Marine Corps. The pistol has a black slide with a green chassis. It also
    includes tritium night sights, and has been sold to the Corps in small
    quantities before. The Corps also has bought Springfield Armory 1911 slides
    in the
    past to use on pistols assembled at Quan tico, Collinson said.

    Other 1911 manufacturers have bowed out on the competition.

    Kimber America, of Elmsford, N.Y., is widely considered a player in the
    1911 civilian and law enforcement market but decided against submitting
    samples to the Corps in the fall, company offi cials said. They cited time
    restraints and other competing business priorities.

    Smith & Wesson, of Springfield, Mass., also produces 1911s, including a
    new line called the enhanced “E” series. The weapons won’t be in production
    until the end of the month, however, and company officials decided it would
    be best to not rush the Corps pro totypes last fall before they were
    proven, said Joe Bergeron, direc tor of defense programs for Smith &
    Wesson. □

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    I kind of think it's funny that Kimber and S&W aren't even going to try. If MARSOC Marines were given a Kimber, that would probably just **** on it.:rofl:
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  2. majette


    May 1, 2008
    Norfolk, VA
    kimber provided the MARSOC unit with the Det-1 pistol around 2004. those pistols saw hard use and the marines i talked to who were familiar with them swore by them. the few that come up for sale usually have a 3K+ price tag, not that they sell for that but it is what people ask for them.

    the det-1 pistol is what led kimber to make the warrior but it is NOT the same. too bad they did not step up and bring back the det-1, i guess the solo was taking up all the r&d and business priorities. 'We cannot allocate time and resources to revisit building 6-10 prototypes of a high quality .45 pistol we did before for a contract we may or may not be awarded. The Solo is a go! America will beat a path to our door for a 700.00 single stack pocket carry 9mm! Just the thing to break us out of the 1911 market! Wait till they see our 900.00 Glock clone!'

    here is a pic of both, i prefer the looks of the SA, not a fan of the tan:

    Last edited: Jan 25, 2011

  3. BikerRN45


    Jan 18, 2011
    When I was looking for a 1911 with a Rail I looked at the Springfield MC Operator and the Colt Rail Gun.

    I went with the Hartford Pony. I hope Uncle Sam's Misguided Children do the same.

  4. Captain Caveman

    Captain Caveman a.k.a. DaReaper

    Apr 12, 2003
    If their smart, they'll go with Springfield. Colt makes a nice gun, but you pay more for the name than the product. JMHO
  5. Nakanokalronin

    Nakanokalronin JMB & MTK

    May 13, 2008

    What Colt did you have that your basing this on?

    I think SA and Colt 1911s are great but I've noticed a part sometimes just don't fit exactly like their suppose to on a SA 1911. For example a Nighthawk custom MSH fits perfectly flush on the bottom by the mag well on my Colt Combat Elite. On my SA Loaded its recessed slightly. I also notice I need to shave down recoil spring plugs in order for them to fit in Springfield slides where in a Colt or Kimber, they drop right in. Nothing to really affect function but they are not exactly to spec.

    My Colt Rail gun and Combat Elite where both under $1000 which is not expensive in the slightest as far as 1911s go.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2011
  6. MD357


    Jul 13, 2008
    Good thing it's just an unfounded opinion then. :cool:
  7. I wish I was one of the lucky guys that get to shoot thousands of rounds to test them.
  8. Hokie1911

    Hokie1911 >

    Dec 26, 2003
    NE Ohio
    Not a fan of the Cerakote, but that is a nice looking blaster normally.

  9. pistolwrench

    pistolwrench Dremel jockey

    Jul 27, 2009
    I wants me some of that there Lippard 400yd. 45acp 1911's!!!!

    Just imagine a Leupold 10X and a Harris bipod on the old girl.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2011
  10. polizei1

    polizei1 It WAS Quack

    Feb 3, 2009
    Cincinnati, OH
    My money is on SA.
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2011
  11. ajstrider

    ajstrider Silent Warrior

    Apr 17, 2005
    Western Kentucky
    I really think the military is going to piss off these pistol makers here soon, in the last three years the military has asked for several prototypes and bids on pistols for multiple units in different branches, yet no contracts were awarded, even though some of the guns met the qualifications, the military just decided they didn't want them just yet. When I was in the navy, our Beretta M9's were in terrible shape and we desperately needed some new ones, but there were none to be had. I hope the military doesn't jerk around the gun companies, and finally gets some good sidearms to the people that need them.
  12. MajorD


    Aug 16, 2010
    within the last 2 years the .mil gave Beretta a contract for up to 450,000 pistols. The main stream soldier sailor airman marine will be the ones getting them. small batch procurements of non standard guns for special ops like the one discussed above have gone on for years and will continue to do so. The joe average Marine is not getting a 45.
  13. dreis454


    Jul 11, 2009
    I hope COLT gets it....Then maybe I can get a job there since i'm only 15-20 mins away.
  14. BuckyP

    BuckyP Lifetime Member

    Feb 1, 2005
    The Springfield will win this hands down. There is no way they will buy the Colts, since they are mounting the nights sights on the rail.


  15. I've looked at several and nearly bought one a while back. I went with an XSE Commander instead since it was goign to be a CCW. They are very nice pistols and on par with anything in their price range, IMO.
  16. Alcoy


    Jul 13, 2006
    I just read that part too. :wow: