Update: Done! See this post. Update 2: Screw it, got the G20 back. So now 27, 30, 20. =====Dang, no spoiler BBcode? Original post below======= Ok, so I've posted an intro thread that will hopefully show up after moderator approval - which kinda gives a backdrop to this, but let me sum up. I just bought a G20, my first Glock, and first handgun in two years. I went in with Home protection in mind - but had limited options and being how I'm the "I want it now and I want the baddest thing I can get" type guy - I bought the G20, THEN spent a couple days researching my concerns. I know I know, fail on my part. I talked to the shop that sold it to me and they will help me sort through whatever I want to do so, anyway. Let me explain. First let me say, I've read A LOT on here in the past few days. My brain is mush. I know there are really no general consensuses on either of the things I'm about to ask. Much is subjective, relative, all that good stuff. So all I'm asking for are, well the same things I've seen a few theads on already, and read every post on - but would like to hopefully read some stuff geared toward me, even if it is the same. I have kids, and a wife. I got this originally with home defense in mind. It would appear that, at least to some, the G20 is geared more for bears and boars than a couple guys coming in my back door. Do I mind overkill? Well no, I'm happy to be able to stop whatever I need to stop. Am I concerned about this "over-penetration" debate? Well I was, quite a bit. Then I read a lot here, and the "missing is the bigger concern, and the bullet loses tons of strength for second hit" argument DID sooth things for me. I'd be lying if I said it still wasn't in the back of my mind, but I'm not extra concerned like I was when I first joined here this morning. I joined with that issue in mind, but took a while to get approved, and much has happened since. So, with that in mind, question #1 was, and I read on this too and I think have my answer but, what would everyone suggest a good round would be for this purpose? Obviously there is no holy grail or there wouldn't be options, with rounds or guns, but what do you all think? I would like a round that doesn't travel much after it would pass out the back of someone...typically/probably/likely. As in, barely make it to the wall if anything - yet still have enough power to drop someone when hit anywhere in the torso. If no such thing exists, is there still a better option than what I got? Horandy 180gr XTP (Rounds for this are pricey!) That was my original concern. Well, then I got to thinking about CCW and you know, I think I decided I'm going to at least some times exercise that right once I get this permit in few weeks. I have an inside the belt holster coming. But, it's HUGE. I went in today, he let me try his, and supposedly I'm getting a "better" one, at least one meant for the 20, and it felt alright. It was less obvious than when I just tried sticking it down my belt. But, unless this thing comes in and it's just miraculous, it's probably way to big for that, for me. I don't want anyone to know. I would prefer my teen never finds out. Anyone here carry a model that huge aruond my build.. 6", 190 or so lbs. regular build, bit of a gut. Is it absolutely impossible to not be obvious about it? So, to this point, I've now started looking at the 27 and 30. I also tried the G27 and G30 while I was there, in his CCW holster. The only other two options. And, they felt way better. Of course. I've been researching G27 vs G30 all day. Crazily enough I'm now hoping I can get the support to just .. buy one and keep the G20 for camping trips or fun shooting, or... I may even one day try hunting. I've said I want to at least once. Plus, it would be great when I go out of town to leave her with something and take something a long. Not sure that's going to happen though. So I'm faced with indecisiveness in the face of not even knowing what to research! If I can purchase another, then I'd like opinions on G27 vs G30 for every day carry. I think, not sure, but I think the G27 is my choice since it is smaller, (big deal for me), and I can convert to 9mm, etc, and I wouldn't mind the round size since I have the G20 should I feel I need it. But what of control and accuracy with that little guy? Many love the 30, but enough to have it bulge out more if I'm going for totally hidden? If I can't purchase another, and she's only comfortable with one gun in the house (in the safe) well, I can respect that. But then I have a worse choice to make. Now I have to choose between the three and try to maximize my needs/wants. - I'd like to carry, concealed. And be unnoticeable unless you're just looking for it. Not my style to have one of the outside the belt types. But realistically I just may never end up doing that. People we go out with or family or whatever may not be comfortable with it. But I'd like to. - I'd like to stop whatever comes in the door. I'd like my wife to be able to stop whatever comes in the door. She is dainty. Not that it's hard to pull a trigger, it's ready to go in that safe. - I'd like the range to be fun. I'd like to take down a polar bear if I ever head to the artic. It feels like, just thinking about it, the 30 would be the best bet if I can only have one, what are the odds I'll run into a bear in my lifetime, but. anyway. How do rounds cost for the 27/30 compared to the 20? I know this is a bunch. And it's all.. well it's all just up to me really.. and I'm probably getting some eyeballs rolling at me but it's a big decision and I have a hard enough time buying ice cream. So, any and all input welcome. Also, I know me and I know me pretty well, I'm not patient enough to wait until I can fire them both to see how I feel about them. I will probably make a decision and buy then one day down the line trade out if I just hate what I got. Plus, if I hate it, the silver lining is the bottom line is home and personal defense and I'm fairly confident I don't care which one I get, it's going to do the job if I ever need it to. p.s. I hated the Taurus cuz it took 8 billion pounds of pressure to pull the trigger. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks! Edit: Ok, now we're settled - getting two. I think I will keep the 20 if we can find something she likes that I would carry for #2, otherwise, 20 might go back for a 30. Page four at this point.. Edit: Seriously considering 29 SF with conversion barrel if I want to shoot light, and G20 mags with grip extender if I want the 15 round option. Seems a good idea, but what's the drawbacks? http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19891793#post19891793 Wanna kill these ads? We can help!